chlettn

They're still using that old processor? Give me a break

So much for a VGA screen or OMAP3 or that Qualcomm processor...

Crumcon

new UIQ with eye candies running on the old 208MHZ cpu. just great, SE did again. let's hope they dont put 80MB of RAM only LOL

this is just another slow UIQ phone.

oksehud

Well, back in february, 2 protos of Paris/Pnext was circulating.

-Both had the M600/P1-style keyboard.
-One had 2.6" screen in QVGA, and another, newer had 2.8" screen in VGA.
(Source: Mizzle)

-I think this could be the old proto.

harrycool

Assuming you have the phone in your hand right now, I have few questions if you can please answer:

1st, is the display 2.6" in size??? The screen resolution is QVGA, right???
2nd, How is the sound volume and quality, can you compare it to a phone with great sound you have used???
3rd, any idea about the battery capacity???
4th, any pics of the top and bottom of the phone???
5th, can you please post atleast one picture taken with the phone??? The more the better...
6th, can you tell if it is possible to save sms on the memory card???

Thanks...

Itachi

Ha ha I knew OMAP 3rd series was too good to be true.

Also I thought if they were cheeky enough to try it on with the G900/G700 then they would try it with some high end phones too.

Yawn......

Divooneh

gliatiotis How is the general speed of the phone, compared to say P1.

Itachi

Divooneh I doubt its any better. It has the same amount of RAM right? So that coupled with that same slow processor wont change a thing. They all said the G900 looks faster but it looks the same to me.

The sad thing is that so many people were saying after the X1 announcment "wait for paris its going to be the big one".

Divooneh

yeah, i doubt it being much faster, but perhaps UIQ 3.3 somehow manages to make better use of the hardware. Hope this is just a minor upgrade with a bigger one due soon.

harrycool

^^^ Both of you above, read again what gliatiotis has said:

"The media application seems to work slightly faster , ad the same goes for messaging , contacts and most of the commonly used applications."

Why are you asking the things already mentioned???

Itachi

Please thats what they always say but when you actually use one its the same thing. They said they K850 was fine and that was a nightmare.

So is this the best we can expect from SE this year? At this rate even LG will overtake them as no 3.

harrycool

Well I can't deny that fact bavlondon...

Itachi

Im not trying to have a pop at then for no reason harrycool its just that people always say they are going to do this and that and this and that and they never end up doing half of what the rumors suggest. I guess SE just are not cut out to make high end phones for Europe any more. Shame really as they seem to do a good job over in Japan.

BoyBawang

@gliatiotis

Can you please list all paris Specs that you know so far

Itachi

Read up a bit mate they are there.

harrycool

I know bav but the guy who posted the pics is himself not satisfied with the specs and all, and seems somewhat dissappointed... That's why when he says "slight" improvement in speed, I believed him...

gliatiotis

Apart from booting up and some power-hungry applications that can't be optimized any further , in menu navigation and executing most common tasks , the phone feels and probably is a little faster than P1/w960 generation and even slightly faster than the G700/G900 one .


When i first tokk it in my hands , it gave the impression of a new/faster phone and it was only after running some "heavier" tasks like the browser that i realized it's the same old platform .

The display looks more like a 2.6" one
The sound quality is fairly good , but nowhere near N81 , 5610 , 5310 , i560 etc
Bst-33 with 960mAH
I will post some more pictures later , both of the phone and from the phone
No unfortunately it is not possible to use the memory card to save incoming messages

5mpix camera
GPS with a-GPS and google maps and wayfinder
wifi
bluetooth
2.6" screen
960mAH battery
qwerty keyboard / touch sensitive buttons
Widgets application
New browser version
Same camera application as in G900 with the ability to focus in any point the user touches on the screen
Newer UIQ version

I am still discovering some of them , since the phone came with no real description of it's characteristics and almost "no name"

The phone is at the pre-production level , with most of it's feauters already ready , and some of the customization needed for each market .
All the phones that i have seen in the past at the same level , never changed in features by their release date .

harrycool

@gliatiotis

Thanks for the answers... So basically its' almost P1 with UIQ 3.3 and with battery from the P990...


But I would still love to see more pics from you... Waiting.........................

Divooneh

thanks again for the info. I'm guessing the new browser is the new opera browser version 9.0 i think.

fl105

So for delaying more than half year and what we get is a P1 with GPS and 5mega pixels camera. There must be big problems in SE R&D department. Thank god we still have X1 to choose. Many thanks to gliatiotis for pictures.

Crumcon

is the screen VGA or QVGA??

i doubt that old rusted 208mhz cpu could handle VGA

chlettn

gliatiotis, thanks for the infos again - pretty underwhelming, after all the hype...

Maybe SE should just ask its UIQ partner Motorola and license their OMAP2 platform

So, the X1 apparently faces problems, Paris seems to be boring...doesn't look like SE will have a successful year for smartphones. I hope for their sake that Shiho, Patty and other non-smartphones turn out better, because otherwise LG & HTC could really pass them by this year...

I'm almost 100% sure it will be QVGA. If you take a look at the Touch Diamond live pics and compare them to these live pics, the Diamond's VGA screen just looks so much crisper and sharper, even though it is a bit bigger than Paris' screen...

Crumcon

cant judge like that, both running diff OS, colour reproduction also depends on the system of course. but my bet is going to be QVGA lol.

P1 in new disguise lol

Rahvin

so 'Paris" isn't much of a phone
just a new UIQ and gps and better camera... i hope it will be priced good at least!


*where's Ronka???*

sidneylopsides

The camera are has changed from this picture, there's now an LED and the 4 bumps on the cover are at the other end.

edit: middle touch button on the front would point to no accelerometer, it's a screen rotation icon.

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ron.jeremy

Well, regarding X1, it's not out this year, that's what i heard yesterday...

oneclick

I guess it's "goodbye SE" for me.

I thought they would change that old old processor by now - instead here they are again with rehashing it into a new phone casing. And that camera, sure it's the first P with a 5mp camera, but the camera module of the k850 is not that good in the first place.

They really deserve to be overtaken by LG!

oksehud

-Unless the picture above is of the newest proto, and the pictures posted by gliatiotis is of an older proto......

-Remember, there has always been 2 protos in circulation....

Dogmann

Hi all

Sorry but i really can't believe this is still using the Nexperia chip that was old in the P990 two years ago and that they are still using the same chip two years later. Just how many of these chips did they buy? surely they must have used them all by now.

Where is ares_s who assured us this was going to have spec's to blow away a N95 as it certainly doesn't look like it from what has been said. Except of course it has Touch screen which in no way IMO makes up for the lack of hardware.

Also no mention of HSDPA either for a Flagship smart phone launching late 2008 this just makes no sense as even non SE smart phones now have this.

I really don't get why or how SE couldn't give us an X1 specified device running UIQ as that really is what most of us wanted and expected from these new UIQ devices not just cosmetic changes to previous UIQ devices. This is so sad for what was once the leader in smart phone/PDA type devices.

HTC, RIM and every other major manufacturer have all announced and shown new devices with faster processors, larger screens and support for more bands and HSDPA in there new devices. Yet SE expects us to continue buying outdated hardware in a new case they really are falling further and further behind and even the most ardent SE/UIQ fan will struggle to justify a purchase now IMO.

Marc

jaf

i think the storm is coming! thunder and floods...and...oh well...

maybe i'll wait for iPhone 3g...

difenbaker

my thoughts exactly.

always been a fan of the P series.... but buying an "old phone with outdated features and passing it off as a new phone, in a new casing with a new price" just isn't my thing.

cheers!

roninja

If Paris did use OMAP3 its UI would be far enhanced to what is pictured. Safe to conclude this is another NXP based phone (does feature MBX Lite though ;-))

OMAP3430 for later in the year me thinks, and my guess is NTT Docomo and
Nokia will announce devices first then SE, then Samsung....

t_makela

Well according to are_s' rock-solid information P990 would have been updated to newer UIQ version, but oh well what happened next... discontinued SW support.

M H

From Esato:
pk:

OMG, people still smoke weed, they still believe to this guy!
He doesn`t even answer to their question, but every his post has same reaction like when God shows his face. Hes some kind of idol there

BTW, I actually didn`t expected anything from Paris.
A fat-ass phone with under-powered processor and with questionable quality is a usual product from SE in last 2 years (regarding smartphones).

chlettn

Yeah, just saw that too. It's like a soap opera over there

Seems like that storm is confined to a tea cup...

Anyway, if this turns out as it is seems, I see less and less chance for UIQ - I'm losing any faith in Motorola and especially its UIQ devices (Skarven might already be cancelled it seems), and SE doesn't seem to care whatsoever about UIQ phones - not updating a platform for three years counts as neglect in my eyes...

BoyBawang

@gliatiotis

thanks for the quick reply. Who knows if this device have additional graphics chip aside from the nexperia chip? There's one way to find out: is video recording just QVGA 15fps? If it is just QVGA 15fps then no graphics chip at all

SE must just relied in optimization. Can you check how long would it take to open NEW SMS? compare it to p1i which takes too long.

thanx

satsuma

Actually I posted that the h/w is not new generation over at My Symbian a few days ago but got laughed at. Thing is, I got this info from a very senior guy from Kista during a recent meeting.

Chlettn, SEMC are probably further ahead on their OMAP3 deployment than Moto. Licensing Moto's OMAP 2 platform would be a waste of time and money for SEMC.
Plus their own UIQ pltaform would need to start interfacing to completely new baseband - Freescale Argon LV. More time, more delay, etc etc

SEMC will get more than adequate performance from the current h/w - apart from video probably.
Much of the performance is about s/w optimisation.
Nokia are getting all the top end features (apart from high quality video) on single core devices (which is NOT Freescale BTW) and reducing their BOM.

TBH, Nokia, SEMC, Motorola don't have the typical MR Forum User in mind when planning a product. There's only a small amount of the overall addressable market that will pay a premium for high quality video.
You can modify current architecture but it's a needless waste of money and time for the return you get.
Next generation chipsets can do this at more affordable price.

OMAP 3430-based products are being specced with D1 (720 x 480) video capture and 720p playback.
5MP, 8MP photo capture straight to the chip.
802.11n

Power management is supposedly far improved - needs to be to support all these kinds of features

I don't think you will see these in the products in the shops from Motorola or SEMC until well into next year; current roadmaps for these features aim optimistically at H2.

I don't really know about Nokia but it would not surprise me if they announced something this powerful this year and released H1 next year. I would expect them to be ahead of SEMC / Motorola but don't kow.

Robot

well, seems to me SE likes their 4th place more, so they want to go back
what is it? what they think? do they think at all? OMG, it's gonna be a big laugh.

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fl105

Why buy a P5 when you can buy a G900? G900 is more compact, handy. Just buy an GPS accessory then you will have almost every function P5 has. Considering the time SE bring out the P5, they should fire a lot of enginners.

satsuma

fl105, Paris uses a new version of UIQ so there is a step change in terms of engineering effort required. Admittedly, real world users will not likley notice any difference.

Also Paris is more of an enterprise product with QWERTY and more serious styling; I think VF is the lead operator.

G900 is aimed more at the normal phone user who wants to use their phone for more productivity tasks - what some might call Soccer Moms, Prosumers, whatever.

fl105

Satsuma, thanks, now I get the point. Since they take so much time on the software why don't they change the hardware as well. May be my hope to P5 is too high.

chlettn

So, basically we would have to be extremely lucky to see any OMAP3 powered devices before H2/2009 (and still lucky to even see them before 2010)? Bummer - wouldn't have thought that such devices were this far off, after TI showed an OMAP3-based prototype running Android months ago...

And Nokia isn't going to use OMAP3 at all - if they're using something similarily powerful? Or am I just interpreting too much into the statement?

And this also means that SE will keep using that Nexperia chip till then?

I wasn't really serious about the whole license-OMAP2-platform from Moto btw (hence the huge grin smiley ). Thanks for the infos!

satsuma

It's my guess based on roadmap slides / discussions...things could be moved along quicker, but I doubt it.

We demo'ed a board running video VGA 30 fps on someone's old h/w to an OEM a few months ago.
The time and effort between showing a demo and getting a ready-to-ship phone can be a very long one.

Possibly. You see it is possible to take a baseport nto OMAP 3 and get a product running which doesn't access all of the the 3430's high end features. So it gives a testbed for your new h/w platform without all the time-to-market issues of optimising 'next gen' features.

There is an argument to say the deal might be done the other way around.
Your welcome wrt the info

nipsen

Um..not.. /before/ they've figured out how to use the ARM, and OpenG ES 1.2 and so on properly..? I'm thinking the "next gen" features will take a bit long to get on the device.. so they'd be obsolete before the new tech would be possible to deploy.. again?

satsuma

I made my statement based on the real plans of a real OEM but really cannot say more than what I've said above.

SuccessCre8or

agree


and who said a better cam ? ...I think 3.2 mp cams from SE is better than their 5MPs ..

that's a pity SE....

Rahvin

well, isn't logic 5mpx > 3mpx?
but i guess SE is an exception

nipsen

..you know.. Sometimes I wonder if they're doing this just to make me mad. "It's got openGL ES 2.0 with pixel- shaders! ...But you can't actually use it the way you want on the device! Really, we don't quite know what to make of it, or how to make anything else than a picture- viewer ourselves. We just bought the license, you know. And don't ask us about memory- handling and layers in the UI and OS interfering with the instruction sets underneath - we really don't know! And the tools for programming any of this - well, they're licensed, you see, so it's got to be made only on special platforms with special programs, just like flash. Because that's how you'd go about making all that nice content!".

..Let's just hope some of the projects force themselves ahead soon, so a bit more consistent framework turns up that can use the functions (documented functions) that already are there.

Because at this point - it is software on mobiles that's lagging behind. Very far. And it's happened because the phone- makers and their associates have had to focus more and more on software - and they just haven't been keeping up. Or have been trying to shovel on more hardware to make up for it.

SuccessCre8or

K800 vs K850...that's what I meant....

oneclick

I think this is a big shift in their marketing strategy? Maybe they dont want to take away the spotlight from the X1 (and windows mobile), that's why they're just leaving the P5 (and UIQ) not updated for now.

It would save them money. Which would otherwise be used for research and development. Once the X1 has had a good run and had sold - maybe that's the time they will work on UIQ and maybe the P6?