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More X devices, HTC with WM maybe? S60 next year, so soon? If the succesor of W580 - "Linda" or W595 has the same keypad trouble as the "original" god help SE, that's just beyond patethic imo!   Can someone nuke the CEO or something, this is getting out of hand imo!   Hecaro, a W960 succesor maybe, but in slide form factor, since W950, i ignored every UIQ device, What is Hecaro supposed to run on, i thought (hoped) G900 was the last UIQ device? Anyway 8Gb for a suposedly top dog is way low imo, it needs at least 16Gb these days imo.  I'm suprised if we see X1 this side of x-mas at all, and i hope they don't do a P990 all over again, no release until devices are stable and ready!  SE should release much less devices, but use more time and better materials on each device, that's what they did with great sucess in the early days imo. T68i, T610, S700, K750, W800 and K800. Dump the meaningless devices with bad quality.  |
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Sony Ericsson W302 – fashion for a penny
http://www.mobile-review.com/article...-w302-en.shtml Sony Ericsson W585i – same problems, new wrapping http://www.mobile-review.com/article...-w585-en.shtml Sony Ericsson W902 – it should’ve been cancelled http://www.mobile-review.com/article...-w902-en.shtml Btw , how can we know if that article about SE is going to be translated ? Last edited by varsamakos; 15-07-2008 at 23:38.. |
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 i haven't heard any problem with W595 keypad? are you sure its faulty again ? your proto seems healthy too .. 
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Just so no one misunderstands me, I do know that the SE Walkman phones and some others do come with an adaptor that provides the 3.5mm jack, microphone and an answer button. This is a good, sensible thing.
But I have read too many posts and reviews slamming SE phones for not having a 3.5mm jack on the phone itself. These writers even go so far as to slam the adaptor itself for being yet another accessory to burden the phone, by adding weight, bulk, size etc. So my question was if you plug in a normal headphone into the phone, without the mic and answer button, how does one answer a call properly? Even if the answer is that you pick up the phone, answer and speak into it, it is a daft solution and really a step backwards. The way to go really is to use a Bluetooth headset with A2DP and AVRCP to get the full benefit and usability. And SE makes some very fine BT headsets with good audio quality. But this is another story in itself. |
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16-07-2008, 09:32
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In any case, most would accept that little sacrifice just the same, why? Because normal headphones sounds better! Way better than the bundled headphones. And having a phone with a 3.5mm jack gives them a CHOICE too. They're not stuck with the headphones the phone came with, and they're not stuck to bringing the adapter with them always. Versatility counts as well. That favorite set of headphones you have, can be used with other devices too. (like a psp, ipod, portable media player, etc, etc). Quote:
But while bluetooth headsets are more convenient, you have to understand that not every music device out there has bluetooth..... but almost every music device out there has a 3.5mm jack. cheers! |
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3 phones coming... all disappointment...whats wrong with SE? Samsung, moto, and LG seems to improve a lot in many areas.. cmon SE...
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16-07-2008, 13:19
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So what will happen if SE announces crap devices? They won't die instantly...only their fanboys(not saying anyone here is one!!!) will be mad(and of course people who generally like SE devices).
But c'mon...look at Moto! They need 2 years to come with a good 5mpx phone... Perhaps SE needs also some time  |
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16-07-2008, 18:37
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about the 3.5mm jack:
I think SE was the one that first made the 3.5mm adapter that came with the W800, right? ...hhh,...these days one thought that was very nice from SE and I thought that SE will be the first to embed one into the phone itself ..." What a dream I had !" |
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17-07-2008, 00:35
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SuccessCre8or, thats a great point, SE really raised the bar for other competitors at that time, in almost everything, they are the reason i became a mobile phone freak, and they still deserve our support! SE i hope u get ur acts together and wow us like the old days!
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17-07-2008, 01:56
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To put down a music phone that doesn't have a 3.5mm jack is absolutely right. That lack is simply ridiculous at this point...
FastPort is bad, and that it is on the side of the W902 and many other phones for no reason whatsoever just makes things worse. |
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17-07-2008, 10:23
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I really feel sorry for SE decision lately. Eldar is so right in his review, how could their high-end walkman lack DSP and 3.5mm jack is beyond abysmal. It's time to move on.
If i buy SE phones now, i would feel like buying the same phone 2 years ago. Motorola made the same mistake which leads to their free fall. I wouldn't agree if someone says SE's design are repetitive 1 1/2 years ago, but fully support their opinion now. their design sucks big time now. ( C905 and X1 are quiet fresh though!) |
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So, there's the countdown for the next Walkman announcement:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/reveals/ Very cool catchy tune, but "Celebrating 3 years of innovation in mobile music - Sony Ericsson Walkman phones" has got to be a joke of sorts, considering the lackluster, utterly innovation-less upcoming phones |
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The only real innovation was to introduce a known brand and experience into a new market, and it worked. Other manufacturers are still trying to compete with Walkman for the music side of sales.
In terms of recognition they are miles ahead of the competition, so they still get the sales even though they aren't the best in terms of sound qaulity. The out-of-the-box experience coupled with the brand awareness works very well. Ask the average person on the street what music phone the would get and you'll either get Walkman or iPhone, very few people will say Xpress Music or ROKR as they simply don't know the brands. SE need to build on that and make the Walkman name really mean something, the W980i looks like a possible attempt at that, even the advert is more serious, and the focus on sound quality is there.
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The W980i was quite interesting as an improvement in audio quality, but Sony-Ericsson need to spread this out over more phones, and a top-end device nowadays should have more then 8GB of memory and a 3.2 megapixel camera plus nothing that will help it take a decent picture
I personally am hoping for a Walkman device with some standard jacks, improved audio quality, 8GB of memory plus a microsd card slot (an impossibility in itself) maybe a decent camera and Wi-Fi Wi-Fi is immensely useful, especially for a Music device if the companies want people to download Music from their stores... |
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For a Walkman phone, having a DSP to drive a superior audio experience is a must; that's the value proposition.
Having a 3.5mm jack on the phone, but without the microphone and answer button, is a compromise. If SE were to do it properly, they will have to put a 3.5mm jack on the phone AND provide an adaptor as well into the package. For those who must insist on having the best audio experience with their own normal headphone, and look silly talking to the phone, that's their call. I always thought that SE has provided a sensible and practical solution by providing the adaptor, but somehow the market thinks otherwise. I still don't think having a 3.5 mm jack on the phone as being that important, so long as an adaptor is available and provided. |
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18-07-2008, 10:39
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That really made me laugh when you said "and look silly talking to their phone" Er it's a phone your meant to talk to it, what looks silly is talking into thin air!!!. Marc |
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18-07-2008, 12:03
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Sonyericsson in total got 7500 workers, 4000of them in sweden and 2300 in lund. Most of the R&D takes place in lund (afaik) and kista. (kista is for smartphones). So sacking almost 2000 people in lund will mean that they are going to lower R&D costs. If you ask me we aren't going to see that many high speccd' phones in the near future, so this thread is just going to be about mid-lowend phones, and pictureframes Motorola and Siemens, here sonyericsson comes. |
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18-07-2008, 17:17
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hope they don't get rid of their testers, otherwise the s500 and k850 (and numerous others) calamities are going to increase both in number and magnitude.
i wonder who will be the first to get the boot. usually its marketing people because in most organisations, many consider them to be useless  |
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18-07-2008, 17:34
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it's all over the news now...
Game over for Ericsson? http://www.mad.co.uk/Main/News/Artic...-Ericsson.html Sony Ericsson to cut 2,000 jobs as profits tumble http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communicatio...9448971,00.htm http://www.totaltele.com/View.aspx?ID=101500&t=2 Sony Ericsson Cuts 2,000 Jobs http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-...0-Jobs/?kc=rss Sony Ericsson profit tumbles, plans to cut 2K jobs http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080718/...ericsson_earns http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...35090763531340 .... doesn't bode well for SE, with the demise of UIQ, they are in desperate need of a bestseller!  |
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