Freddo

I really hope it turns out that the final release of N79 have a xenon flash and that the leaked pics didn't have it just because it was a prototype.

Probably just wishful thinking from my part, though, but it would be nice if it was true

bond

I feel if Samsung don't do any mistakes with Innov8 then it will trump the N96 not only for people like us but also normal people

For most people bigger mega pixel = better camera and on rest of the front both N96 & Innov8 are evenly matched in Screen, 16 GB Internal Memory, Micro SD Card Slot,Wi-fi, GPS, S60 FP2 & even the Dual Led Flash.

The Innov8 even has a bigger battery than N96.

So I belive Nokia should advance their 8 mp monster to Christmas to bolster their portfolio to take on Innov8

Edit : I also believe the Samsung i7110 is a direct competitor to the N79 and not the N82 as widely believed

Ronka

must be a new N95 in a new shell

FastLaneJB

Yes it will come down to those prices, it's only a matter of time. Would you have thought for instance that computers would have got as cheap as they are now, even a few years ago? I just brought a HP ML110 Server with a Dual Core Xeon 2.33Ghz, 1GB ECC RAM and a 250GB HDD for £110. Phones need to get a lot cheaper and they will over time.

As for the complicated user interface, I fully agree with you there. I've mentioned before that I think Nokia should take the move to making TS phones as the ideal time to scrap their interface and make a new one. They haven't really updated the UI since the first S60. It's wowfully out of date.

S40 can get away with this because it is merely aimed at people wanting a cheap phone. Nokia is unlikely to redesign something that they are slowly but surely killing off anyways.

ICEman_c81

http://symbianworld.org/883-nokia-ns...n-august-18th/ - error 404

Franz

^wow, must be true. I think I have the invitation picture in my cache, I'll search.

btw, ICEman, is there any hint of a 5500 sucessor in this article? http://www.mobile-review.com/article...-outdoor.shtml I can't really tell with google translate

edit: found part of it, the other part had a picture of a sofa and an Nseries logo, so this is the good part :P



lol @ nokia for thinking bloggers will be quiet about this phone before the official launch, btw

FastLaneJB

I think with the N95 Nokia pulled way ahead of the rest of the market and were ahead for a long time afterwards. However they appear to be crawling forwards slowly and have been caught up and over taken with some other makes current or some to launch models.

I feel that Nokia has something big coming sooner or later, their next N95 as in a lot better than their previous models and one that will carry them for a while again. We'll all know it when it arrives but until then you buy something like the N85 and you'll wonder "Will the next big thing come in 3 months time and I wish I'd waited". Hehe.

ICEman_c81

Franz, nope. no hint. Only some nostalgie about good old Siemens..

xell

The first part reads "private-", what about the rest?

Franz

Ah, I miss Siemens too...

And I found the whole thing, in case someone wants to use the pic for a blog post lol



it's a sofa

nbulp

The sofa makes me think of the E90...

chlettn

Seems a bit of a stretch to me



N79 & N85, I'm willing to bet. We've had a few Eseries just a while ago, and that since that invitation looks a lot like WOMWorld's work, it can't be about generic phones since they don't cover them.

xell

... which is emphasized a lot by the Nseries logo above the sofa.

FastLaneJB

E90's got to be a long way off a refresh yet I imagine. It's still a really good spec.

chlettn

Uh...now that you mention it

Seth

Might be some NSeries models, but since this chair is part of architectural and fashion history, it could have been a model from the 8000 series, but it's a shame it is not.

Would be cool if we see a totally new device though...

Birddog

Any idea when we might here some more news about the Tube aka 5800, could that be one of the phones they'll announce on Monday?

Awesome_Aleks

Oh great, keep it secret for a week, thats friggin awesome

I guess we will eventually find out

Anyway

Franz, I'm looking forward to a Nokia 5500 Successor, hopefully there's something in there about it

also

I haven't seen badger in ages, he hasn't logged on since April, and after the leak of info on the VIP Lounge, nothing has been posted there either (I think it should be made more secure to help start it back up, because what's the point of a VIP Lounge if nobody is sitting there )

Freddo

That chair, is a Barcelona by Ludwig Mies van der Rohe back in 1929 and is pretty famous for it's design as far as chairs go. Seems like design gonna be a major theme of the event.

nbulp

Maybe one of the new devices IS a chair!
Take a seat in the new Nseries N1337.
A rumor good as any

5pteron

But the chair in the poster is white as opposed to the original black chair. It might be a hint that the devices will be in white? (N79 as an example)

Edit: Btw, that should be an online announcement, IMO. Not an offline one.

bond

we already know most if not all the details of both n85 & n79

nMIK-3

I am guessing N85 and HighEnd touchscreen Nseries device

Awesome_Aleks

nMIK-3

It should be the N85 and N79

Anyway

If the picture has been leaked, I'm sure the person who received it will also leak the "pre-brief site" as well, or atleast pictures of them...

nMIK-3

Yes it may be N85 and N79.

But if they end up showing only these two phones then is really nothing to be exited about. Same features in different package. Except S60 FP2.

Nokia is doing really great in the market but they really loosing in TouchScreen devices. Apple just announced 3million units iPhones sold HTC already sold more than a million HTC Diamonds and all this in less than a quarter. Very big market that Nokia right now has no present at all.

blueskies

nMIK-3 Nokia alone in Q2 sold 122mil devices worldwide, that is almost 10 mil devices was sold per week (if one-quarter equals to 12 weeks approximately), how "big" is the market of touchscreen? 4 million iPhones/Diamonds sold in 1-2 months time, it is still incomparable to the mainstream devices. Also 12 million of E+Nseries in Q2...

I agree that Nokia should push the touchscreen devices the faster the better, however, once Nokia was mature for a particular function/spec, it would be easily brought to all segments in all ranges. It is in essence the UI and stability to be almost perfect, user friendly and competitive to early competitors before it comes to mass market, which would be an easy job for Nokia. It would be still good and worth the waiting for Nokia to spare more time to fine tune it.

nbulp

I agree. Announce already!

But, just to be reminded: in 2007, Nokia sold over 440 million devices ("mobile phones"). In that year alone. Hopefully, they still know what they are doing and we can expect that TS device to arrive soon enough.

blueskies beat me to it

nMIK-3

Yes and they will sell much more in 2008. Nokia is the absolute KING of the mobile market there is absolute no doubt about it. TouchScreen devices are basically a market that people are looking for a device with big screen and touch. This is very big market and Nokia is absent. As simple as that.
In touch screen market they have nothing to offer right now.

If Nokia was offering highend touchscreen devices by now I am not so sure that Apple and HTC was going to have so high sales.

I mean if Nokia is going to delay touch devices by another half a year or a year then both Apple and HTC should send flowers in Finland every single day!!!!

Super Chimp

It seems Nokia for some reason has been dragging their feet over their TS devices. If the Tube when it final appears is less than stellar, it's not going to look too good PR wise, especially after making people wait so long. What I mean is the wait has increased anticipation & anything less than a stellar device is going to seem a disappointment, even if it is still a reasonable device.

DAFE

I don't agree with you. I agree that I don't understand why Nokia is waiting with their release.

I think that they should release their TS solution for mid-range even if it doesn't compete with iPhone beacause they use to have really strong specs and I think they need to explain where they are going and it is okey if they release a high-end model later on to really compete with Apple, HTC and the others.

I think Nokia is loosing more and more the longer they wait, even if the solution is perfect. Thay need to release it now, the mid-range phone that will sell really really much.

tkno

it's because nokia does not operate like other mobile phone manufacturers.

what nokia is doing is that they are developing a platform that will allow them to 1) keep the cost down and gross margin up and 2) introduce a whole line of ts phones into the markets 2009 and beyond.

alternative to this would be to what others are doing and quickly develop separate solutions and hope that one of them will be a hit. a gamble that might or might not work for a quarter of so. that is not what nokia is trying to do.

mustis

It's a good idea to take on the mid-range TS first. That way, a direct comparison to iphone can be dodged (iphone is high range / fashion after all) and there are bigger volumes in mid range so they can attack iphone with lower price.

Super Chimp

One could argue that Apple has beat them too this by pushing the price cut factor of the iphone 3G & it certainly seems to have worked so far. A clear example of where Nokia foot dragging has cost them possible sales.

DAFE

I totally agree with you and that is why I think they really need to have the device out soon especially for the asian market where iPhone is really really expensive and where Nokia have a big customer base.

volumes mean better price in 2009 and then they can take volume of TS to the low-end in perhaps 2010.

chlettn

It's DigiTimes, so take this with a big grain of salt:

http://www.digitimes.com/displays/a20080812PD222.html

Seems like OLED screen will become quite common in Nokia phones soonish...

DAFE

Has Apple cut the prices ? Price is very high and if Nokia release their mid-range, I think Apple will have to take down the price very much and their gross will come down.

I think that Nokia could be waiting for ovi to be fully launch ready, meaning maps, music, files, community....a lot of hem are in beta..

blueskies

Agree! For many years, Nokia had many times put the certain function/spec to lots of its product e.g 2.5/3.5mm jack, WiFi, 16 million color display, VGA video capture etc... that overtake other brands nowadays even though some of the spec above are not the first to Nokia.

And the first TS device is surely scheduled to release before the end of 2008, which is just 2-3 months later. Nokia also plan to put the TS platform to all segments (from low to high) in 2009. I think Nokia TS devices will saturate and penetrate into the respecive markets in 2009 onward. Let's view it positively.

chlettn

Nokia has often been a tad late in taking up trends - just think of clamshells & thin devices. Has that changed anything about their market position? In short term I'd say yes, but in the longer run, hardly...

That's basically how I see it too. The 5800 isn't that far away in any case, and if its starting price is really around 350€ as somebody mentioned, then I think it has a good opportunity to sell well. After all, a lot of providers can't/won't add the iPhone to their portfolio, and for those, the 5800 could be a nice mass-market substitute from a very popular/well-known brand.

And I guess that Nokia will move aggressively in that market next year, when the basic software platform is ready.

alastiar

I juz received an email. Look like that website is on again.

Dear supporter,

I am writing from Nokia HQ with news: we have defeated corporate censorship! The most insane video ever produced is now online. If you visit www.openatownrisk.com you can view the clip, but only if you're worthy enough to break the code.

Thanks to continued pressure in the name of all that is right and honest, all accusations of "intent to publish content driving people insane" have been dropped by The Supreme Court. Consumer rights and freedom of choice have proved victorious; the prerogative to unhinge your mind has been restored.

This victory has been no easy win however. We have engaged the bureaucrats in battle and refused to bow to their pressure to ensure that you have the right to view this clip. Thank you for all your support, it was your hearts and desires that we took into the theatre of war.

Now that the video is available, we trust that you will treat it with the respect and caution such footage demands. Symptoms relating to insanity have been witnessed even in those who have set eyes on nothing more than the original celluloid. You have been warned.

Click here and start your journey to insanity...
http://www.openatownrisk.com

sms

the weirdest clip ever made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALBu-2FhToc

behind the scenes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw_39xKc9_Q


meaningless imo, and erm..... weird

thanks nokia for wasting our times.

blueskies

I also receive that email regarding the reopen of the weird site. But I have already opened the 4 seals... should I play again or my record was still there.........?

nbulp

Wasting time is all this forum is about

But I guess you meant wasting time in a bad way

wort

I think the next announcement probably be N79 & N85

BTW, guess that N83 would be that rumored 8 Mpx cam from Nokia since I've heard somewhere that the camera centric devices will be in N8x.

Super Chimp

I still think that Nokia missed a big PR opportunity by having the Tube in the Dark Knight and then not announcing it then.

DAFE

Of course they did. They should have had the phone in stores by the time the movie came to the cinemas..

They are really loosing ground now...

Bad choice from Nokia.

Adam Aston

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http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=XENWZx...eature=related


WHAT A F**K IS THAT ??!!

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M H

Please read comments below the video

chlettn

Seems like a not really all that bright person that can't read good enough to distinguish "Samsung" from "Nokia"?

FastLaneJB

OK we all know Nokia ship a billion trillion mobile phones per second and that Apple's, HTC's market share is extremely small but I think that misses the point to a degree.

Most of those phones that Nokia sell are the bottom of the line models. Apple's profit per iPhone 3G sold is probably over 200 pounds (It might be less for us but O2 will pay Apple the subsidy). You cannot have 200 pounds of profit on a phone that sells for 30 quid.

So this is the high margin area of the market where the sales numbers don't have to anywhere near as large as the bottom end to make good money. Apple's 1+% of the phone market is maybe more like 30% of the high end market where margins are very good (I made that 30% up, I'm not claiming it's true but just trying to make a point).

So in the high end market, Nokia is getting attacked from the iPhone, HTC devices, Innov8 and probably Google Andriod when that hits as well. Nokia at the minute don't have anything that we know about to counter that.

Also when they launch their Touchscreen phone, they are going to be zero third party apps that support proper touchscreen input, the screensize, etc. Yes it might run old S60 apps but none of them are designed with a touchscreen device or device with a screen ratio that the touchscreen device will have. Both Google and Apple gave developers chance to build apps long before the device is available or the ability to run the apps was added. I'd say the AppStore more than even being 3G and having GPS is what is helping push iPhone sales so much.

So Nokia is going to launch a mid ranged touchscreen device. The interface so far doesn't look amazing and they aren't going to have any third party touchscreen apps available. It takes time to build good apps so will probably be a half year after it launches before we'll have some apps but even then they have no means to compete with the App Store. Download! is poor, the Symbian SDK is no where near as well polished as the iPhone SDK and going on the fact that S60 sells vastly more phones but doesn't get all that many apps made for it, I fail to see why this will change. After all there are vastly more S60 phones but Windows Mobile with a tiny fraction of the market share has a much larger selection of apps and has done for years.

Simply put, most people buy S60 for a phone, not as a smartphone. There might be a lot of phones but the market for selling apps is small, the distribution system is extremely poor and unknown to most and the SDK is a pain to work with.

I would like to see what Nokia is doing to address these problems. I've now got a reasonable selection of apps I've brought for my iPhone, I'm obviously going to be far less likely to move to another platform now. This is how Windows got where it is and I see people becoming less willing to move from make to make when they have invested in a software catalog for that platform. This is a big deal and being here early and strong puts Apple at a huge advantage and I feel that the high end market is going to change a lot in the next few years as other makes finally understand that 3rd party apps will tie people into their platform.

I moved from my N95 to an iPhone one with no apps on it because there wasn't really any apps on my N95 that I missed not having to stop the move. Now that I have a huge selection of good apps on the iPhone, I'm not sure I could move to another platform and miss out on some of these apps.