Viipottaja

Super Chimp, I'll repeat my view on one possible reason on N Series build quality (which is not appalling in my view, just not as good as E Series:

"The "replacement cycle" of N Series is much shorter - from product announcements, but also from users point of view. I.e. N Series users are more likely to want to replace their phone (given tech advance, the latest and the gratest etc. factors) quite a bit more frequently than the intended E Series user (i.e. corporates and business individuals would). Therefore, from Nokia's point of view, it would not make sense to put AS MUCH money into materials as it does for E Series. Its all about margings, baby. And that's why Nokia absolutely kills the competition - they simply are the best run among cell phone manufactures, have best logistics, widest reach etc etc."

Razer

I think if such a difference comes then they should get a different name altogether if not be included under separate categories.

Denver

the big announcement is coming in the middle of August.
Tube is for September.
N79 has GPS.

lightindark

What is your source for this? Is it reliable?

**^ramintop^**

what will happen to n-gage when they move to higher resolution screens?

M H

AFAIK, Denver seems like a reliable guy. Thanks for leaking infos, Denver, they are very useful.
Good question. The main question, though , will be how long will n-cage need to make games for higher resolution screens?

R@z0r

Well ,i'm having a great question: in the next 4-5 months ,there will be out any device with at least 5 mpx,2.4' screen,gps, fp1 or 2 ,candy bar form factor,big memory ,at a price around 320-400 euros ? Cuz a wanna buy a n82 black and i'm not sure of my choice

Viipottaja

R@zor, well, the rumored "N79" seems to fit your bill, but may not have Xenon.. I would go with the N82. I have it and LOVE IT.

NokiaPort.de

That's correct. Different hardware (but network) get new model name.
This is part of Nokias naming convention!

Razer

Duh as usual.
Eldar said its coming in the following week or so. He might be wrong.
Yup

Super Chimp

My simple counter argument is if I spend a lot of my hard earned money on an electronic device like an N series phone I expect it to be well built. Maybe I am old fashioned but I expect things to last & not need to be replaced every five minutes. I have no interest in Nokia's economics & as a consumer why should I care about this?

Viipottaja

Again, I don't they are THAT badly build. I've not had to replace mine once because of build quality.

As for not caring as a consumer about the financial status of Nokia... tt's hardly that simple. If Nokia is doing well, they will have the resources to keep developing new and better products. Look at the dire straits SE is in and how that's reflected in their portfolio? Same for quite a while for Moto. Haven't you ever seen over the years e.g. analyst comments where they have said Nokia is spending too much on R&D as it is? If they had less profit, that budget would be even more under fire.

If you ARE going to change your phone every do years or so, what does it matter if it looks like crap by the time you are about to get a new one anyway?

Anyway, regardless of what N Series quality is, the E Series build quality, IMHO, does have a lot to do with the beating and longer replacement interval those phones are expected to go through.

ICEman_c81

Viipottaja, yeah, my E51 is MUCH nicer to hold in hands than my previous plastic N73

Awesome_Aleks

From what I can see he has proven reliable, it's too bad we have lost people like playdead and badger (I have grave fears for badger, he hasn't been here since he posted info on the HTC Touch Pro, co-incidentally I believe there was news/speculation that someone got sent to jail for leaking info on the Touch Pro )

I just hope that he's been busy/forgot about us

NokiaFreak

Hi everyone. I was just reading an article at www.symbian-freak.com when I saw an image of a touch screen mobile and it says N83 on it. Does anyone know anything about its release date or spec?? I have only seen images of the "Tube" so far, but not this one It looks amazing!!

Anyway, here is the link to this article, which many of you probably already read Look at the first and especially last picture in the article.

(http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/00...e_in_a_pot.htm)

Best regards

NokiaFreak

5pteron

No, no. That is fake obviously. The font-style of the NOKIA logo is fake and the screen should not look that much round-rectanglish.

Awesome_Aleks

This isn't entirely impossible, but exactly the same thing was speculated for the N81, 3.2 megapixel + autofocus for the microSD version, and a 2 megapixel for the internal memory. The result being they both got stuck with a horrific 2 megapixel camera

The question for me is how much memory would the internal one have? If it's 8GB then I would go with the microSD version (cards are extremely cheap now, I bought a 2GB microSD a few months earlier from this time last year at the same price) but if it's 16GB like most phones are starting to end up with, that could be more difficult

Karim

16 gig cards aren't that far out

Viipottaja

5pteron, just because something is not real does not _necessarily_ make it fake. Its called a "concept".

IF that really was an early concept of a Nokia touch device somewhere in the pipeline... it would certainly have a gorgeous looking design.

blueskies

Tribute to qq.com

Lots of leaked Nokia Tube photos!
Please enjoy!

below just attach 4 of them ....

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knights

blueskies

same old bland s60 UI... cmon...

5pteron

You got me wrong. I was simply analyzing the picture and I said the NOKIA logo was not the genuine NOKIA logo hence being a concept of an user, not by Nokia(if you compare the logo with the official one you get what I mean).

blueskies

I also hope that there would be efficient and good looking new UI on top of the existing old UI, may be try to learn something from HTC Touch Diamond.

5pteron

And the Nokia's usual finger-print-magnet cheap plastic.

Btw nice find, blueskies

Viipottaja

Indeed, nice find Blueskies! Looks quite nice actually, even if that's the final version. I actually like the new Nokia icons. Not too flashy, likely to stand the test of time.

Look at e.g. the Apple computer icons and lesser extent also the iPhone ones for an example of icons that look nice for like.. a week.. god those are starting to annoy me big time every time I see them.. WAY too cartoonish for my taste.

And the comparison pic next to the N82 actually makes it look very compact indeed! If the price is right, it will probably do quite well, in particular if it is Comes With Music.

Awesome_Aleks

I guess not, but their prices will be

Thank you!

Can you possibly translate it?

I'm reading through Windows Live, and I think it says it will be announced in August. Looks like it will be XpressMusic (awesome) but I can hardly traverse the page, I can't even find the pictures you posted!

EDIT: I just found out how to change the page, now I have some more machine translating to do

EDIT2: I'm unsure if the post is saying it has 140MB with support for 8GB memory cards, or whether it has an 8 GB microSD card in the box, which would make sense against foes like the Omnia and the iPhone, as well as making me explode with glee , it's also using a new type of battery, the BL-5J, it looks huge but the people who made the post do not know it's capacity (it has to be a 1000mAh+)

EDIT3: A sticker around the BL-5J makes it seem the capacity is 1320mAh, but it's a a little blurry so I can't be 100% sure. It has a QWERTY keyboard on-screen which was expected. The design is similar to the photoshops with slits for keys but other places have shown actual Phone keys so that's strange

blueskies

Awesome_Aleks, let me translate some of the main points in the article.

1. XpressMusic is used in the prototype in the leaked photos instead of XpressMeida before.

2. The article only reiterates those spec rumored here and other places, it doesn't give any new additional information on the spec.

Specs are:
3.2 inches 16.7 million TFT 640x360 screen, heaptic feedback
S60 5th edition, with accelerometer
3.2 mpx camera, with AF, dual LED flash, carl zeiss optics, geo-tagging
GPS integrated, 3.5mm AV and TV output
GSM/GPRS/EDGE/WCDMA/HSDPA/WLAN connectivity
140MB internal RAM (not memory), support 8GB microSD memory card, unknown processor speed
battery is new BL-5J
115×52×14.5 mm 104g
rumored to be announced next month

I think the above spec is nothing new.

Page 1: http://digi.tech.qq.com/a/20080725/000004.htm
Page 2: http://digi.tech.qq.com/a/20080725/000004_1.htm
Page 3: http://digi.tech.qq.com/a/20080725/000004_2.htm
Page 4: http://digi.tech.qq.com/a/20080725/000004_3.htm
Page 5: http://digi.tech.qq.com/a/20080725/000004_4.htm

hope the above does help.

Razer

Nice leaks! I like the specifications too. Did Nokia skip 4th edition S60 because of the unluckiness of 4?

Awesome_Aleks

Thanks, no 8GB microSD card in the box (it could still be in there but they haven't mentioned anything about a bundled memory card so it could be a 2GB)

Still, plenty of nice pics, too bad there are none of the Music Player

ICEman_c81

Oh, Ithey didn't keep Haze icons for S60 5.0. That's bad.. Hope they'll give thwm out in Carbide

beatmag

about time, Nokia did a screen with 640 pixels wide!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice going!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but dont stop there!!!!!

I think 640x360 is a good ressolution to have. its wide, good for browsing. but i think maybe 800x480 would be good too.

the last thing is to find out what cpu its powered with!!!!!!

anything less than 400 would be suicide!!!!!!!. since the iphone has 600mhz cpu downclocked to 412mhz with a PowerVR MBX.

The other fact is symbian needs a faster cpu to keep up since it can do multitasking.

Razer

640*480 the standard resolution would have been much better I think.

Itachi

Bearing in mind position wise this device isnt meant to be a flagship I think its a good resolution to use. A sign that Nokia are upping the ante across the board.

Razer

Yes, if you consider its positioning, its absolutely brilliant in specs. In that case , imagine the touchscreen flagship.

chlettn

I love the size of it...



Seems very 1-handed use friendly. I wonder what the light next to the XpressMusic/Media label does?


BUT: that keypad/-board UI looks awfully crude...quite finger-friendly, but crude. Hopefully that's not quite the final version. Also, a couple of millimeters less thickness wouldn't have hurt.

Razer

Eldar said that Nokia have made quite a few modifications to the UI.
The phone looks pretty thick to me and doesnt look like 14 mm.

chlettn

I'm thinking the same thing - more like 17mm or so

Phil The WebSurfer

Maybe i'm wrong but i've read somewhere that the S60 5th Edition supports dual CPU

Aware

On thickness: N82 is 17.3mm, and 5800 looks to be thinner than that from those pics...so 14.5mm is possible......

difenbaker

that's somethin Im hoping for too... but since this aint a flagship device, and is intended as a mid-end phone "for the masses", this might have just one processor only.

Awesome_Aleks

I think it is definitely 14.5mm, this makes for a comfortable thickness, but there are tons of other phones on the market (iPhone, Touch Diamond and more) that are thinnerby a good margin

chlettn, I agree, I would lik to know what that light does (perhaps it's an LED event indicator)

akili@matrix_hacker

or since it is for the masses it will use 369mhz processors, and the high end 2 of n95.

ICEman_c81

Phil The WebSurfer, N82 is equipped with dual CPU, N95 is too..

beatmag

640x480 , is 4:3

its not wide, so having VGA would mean 2.8"-3.0" max...otherwise it would make the phone too wide...

chlettn

beatmag, I absolutely agree. I like the 16:9 aspect ratio - gives you much more phone-like dimensions...

To be more exact, Symbian 9.5 supports SMP (symmetric multiprocessing). And S60 Next is probably using that version.

http://www.symbian.com/symbianos/os_smp.html

Mhm...12mm or so would have been much nicer. I've been absolutely spoiled by the 2630

Might be, but I think it has a weird shape for a simple indicator...

Phil The WebSurfer

Thanks, i have mixed both information

kflyer

I HATE the mud colour stupid 2D icons found on these new devices and I hate this cheap plastic more than those icons. ICEman_c81, you will make a theme with Flahorn icons, won't you ?
Btw, the battery is the same one as used in the N96 no.
And, it's probably equipped with a single CPU.

sms

the best thing about S60, is that you can change the whole looks of the UI by only applying a simple theme. eye candy is the last thing I look for in the UI, it looks usable, and that's what I care for.

how can you tell it's cheap?

Freger

Totally agree