sms

why is it dumb? I mean when you compare the specs, wouldn't that show how under-featured the iphone is?

blueskies

I can see that in the demo of E66 and E71, the camera interface and music player interface are both the same as the one used in Nseries...

chlettn

Have you ever read Engadget/Gizmodo/ArsTechnica/whatever in the time around an Apple announcement?

First there is the one month-long build-up. At least 3-5 rumor posts about some possible upcoming devices or specs per day as a rule of thumb, regardless of whether it's obviously unrealistic or not.
Then, about a week before that, live-event-blogging links put on the most prominent spot of the whole page. Around that time, at least half of all posts are directly Apple-related or do at least mention Apple in some way or another.
Two days before the event, theres another live-blogging page reminder, a rumor summary, the 17th blog team prediction post, and yet another reminder.
On the day of the announcement, all you see is blog posts about first glimpses of non-informative banners and stuff around the announcement building, and yet more speculation posts.
Then, the big announcement starts. 2h of live-blogging (read: broadcasting the marketing speech of Mr. Jobs, for free!). Blog posts for every itsy-bitsy small detail ("Oh-aaaaah, iTunes 7.4 font size increases by 1 pixel!!!"). Then, after the event, yet at least another blog post for every itsy-bitsy thing announced, or any tiny new feature in any of these devices (the hands-on reports).
During the days after the event, the blog is still dominated by 95% Apple stuff, dozens of posts detailing tiny tiny stuff about the all those things.
About a week afterwards, the hyping process for the next announcement starts. What will the iPhone 3 bring?

And aside from blog posts: Need I remind you that last year's iPhone presentation actually made it into mainstream broadcasting news? Front page of pretty much every newspaper?

And now imaging the E66/E71 announcement compared to that. One tiny blog post. Guaranteed to disappear from the 1st blog page within half an hour. With some snide remark from the editor that doesn't even want to waste time to post that news, when he could use it better by refreshing Apples frontpage every 5 seconds...
There will be no reasonable comparisons. You know, the iPhone features MULTITOUCH! ZOOM IN AND OUT COOLER THAN EVER BEFORE! Now even faster because of 3G - nevermind that that has been available in any other higher-end phone for at least 2 years...


Yeah, you guessed right: I'm utterly annoyed by the media hype surrounding everything Apple.

xtemujin

I concur, that's why the first review of the E71 was from a US based website and not from Europe.

Nokia could have a head start.

I'm not getting any buzz about the E71 from the distributors here locally.

Maybe it'll be available in July/August where I live.

sms

chlettn, you're absolutely correct. It makes someone wonder, what's the secret behind the yanks addiction to apple?

lightindark

The RDF is strongest in the states.

I think Chlettn has a point. Why would Nokia do this? When the original iPhone was announced, it was on BBC AND SKY news for goodness sakes! Just imagine what could happen this time...

Serum

chlettn all you said is true, but i´m very happy with that because this means, when i buy my E71 in a few weeks, NO one of the normal people will have ever heard of my phone and that is good, because it isn´t a phone for normal people, like JesusPhone2...

I am handset-wise an absolute alien with my E61i among my friends, colleagues and all the rest and i want that to be continued for a long time...

Crumcon

Not only the yanks, Europe as well are crazy about Apple products. and yes even Japan the country of electronics and amazing gadgets, Apple's Ipod dominated about 70% of Japanese mp3/portable music players!

athos1111

Oh come one. Are apple-addicts really so addicted to get a h*rd-*n from a single 3G chip? I mean that's just ridiculous (even if there will be anything else beside the 3G chip).

Crumcon, iphone-sales dropped considerably after the first few months of enthusiasm passed... and not only in Europe.

laurenke

As an American, I couldn't agree more about the stupidity of the Apple media hype. The entire thing pisses me off, because it shows how truly stupid the average American public is when it comes to phones and technology (no doubt there will be claims that Apple "invented 3G" much like how it invented the touchscreen last year ).

Frankly, I don't know of a good time to announce the new E-series.

chlettn

Two weeks ago? No other phone announcements, no big tech news whatsoever...yeah, they blew that opportunity

Ruhul

Whats the next announcement date?

sms

these demos usually come out after the device start shipping, a good sign indicating a quick release after the announcement.

Super Chimp

Wise move Nokia waiting all this time & then announcing these two handsets the same week as the 3G iphone gets announced.

Mind you saying that their only niche business products not the next flagship N series device or Nokia's new TS devices so it probable doesn't matter all that much if they disappear in the sea of Apple press.

chlettn

What I think is really cool about these demos is the "Mode change" thingy - switch between business & personal homescreen mode, themes, notifications with only one click...good idea.

ritz@98925

E71 is finally official.

Razer

Where's the announcement.

mtomczak

give us some links

Viipottaja

I guess Ritz is just exited about the demo pages being up.

t_makela

I think so too. Sunday just ain't the day to announce anything.

Super Chimp

It would be somewhat hilarious if these two handsets were announced tomorrow of all days to be announced!

Awesome_Aleks

They are, which is strange

But not particularly bad...

Viipottaja

Interesting. Strange I guess only in the sense that the differentation between E and N series software wise appears to be getting smaller by the minute. Most people here of course welcome that.

Then again, N Series is moving on to FP2 and as such E Series will still look "old school" compared to the latest N Series offerings.

Have I missed something or is there any other reason than the demos being up to think they will be announced this week? Even if they were, E Series and iPhone are hardly competitors at all. If one has to look for one, it would probably be in the N Series rather than in the E Series. iPhone is hardly used by businesses (other than tragically hip graphics design companies and modeling houses perhaps.. ).

ritz@98925

Huh? The demo pages could be fake? They aren't from Nokia officially?


Exactly. I though Nokia put them up .

Freddo

Oh, they are. But we still haven't seen any official announcement or anything like that.

chlettn

In the Engadget post about the E66/E71 demo pages, somebody said that the M-R podcast mentioned June 16th as announcement date...
Can somebody confirm that?

tenoce

The 2 flash sites about the E71 and E66 disappeared

ritz@98925

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LOL. Nokia found out that we found out

Mweb

I'm going to a Nokia event on that day, so i shall report live to you all, at that time!!

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chlettn

Finally - about time!

tenoce

UPDATE 1-Nokia to bring new E-series phones to market in Q3

HELSINKI, June 9 (Reuters) - Nokia (NOK1V.HE: Quote, Profile, Research), the world's largest cellphone maker, is set to start selling a group of E-series enterprise handsets and the top-of-the-range N96 multimedia device, a senior executive said on Monday.

"We will in the third quarter bring to the market the N96 we have launched and a group of E-series multimedia computers that will be sure to have a strong stamp on where this market is going," Anssi Vanjoki, senior executive vice president of Nokia Markets, told Reuters on Monday.

Nokia declined to comment on the models, but industry sources said the company is set to come out next week with new E66 and E71 models. They are both expected to feature GPS, a 3.2 megapixel camera and 128 megabytes of memory.

Dogmann

Hi all,

I have to disagree with those who think the 2.8" screen on the N95 8GB is pixelated as whilst i had mine i never saw that happen it was always sharp and bright.

The only thing i don't like about the E71 is the smaller screen compared to the E61 which was one of my favorite devices. But once you start using a larger screen it is very hard to go back to a smaller one.

Now the E90 may not be to everyones taste or needs but the extra size and weight IMO are well worth the 4" screen and 57 key keyboard along with the 8 shortcut keys.

Web browsing is a totally different experience on a 800x352 4" screen as no side scrolling is needed and the amount of information that can be clearly viewed it's just amazing. The same goes for everything else Word Documents, Calendar, E-Mails just so much information is clearly visible it makes using your device just so much easier and faster and a more enjoyable experience.

This is actually the biggest problem i now face on looking for an upgrade as i really couldn't go back to even a 2.8" screen now never mind a 2.2". Which is why i will either have to look at a Touchscreen device to get a large screen or wait for the E90 replacement late 2009.

I must say on that score it won't be a 3G iPhone as i already had the original and really didn't get on with it, but the BB Thunder Touchscreen does look interesting to me just have to wait for it to release late summer.

Marc

xtemujin

Thanks for the heads up.

Waiting for the Apple launch of the 3G iPhone at the WWDC Keynote in a few hours time.

No go with Nokia with the official launch of the E71 till today.

Viipottaja

Wonder if Anssi used "multimedia computers" for E Series on purpose/intentionally.. I think they have not in the past called E Series multimedia computers (instead something like "enterprise devices". I may be wrong.

tenoce

Yes, it is a clever question. Especially that the new E-series will have different settings (Work and Home), with full personalization for each profiles.

difenbaker

from engadget:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/0...5-in-the-wild/



..... I thought the n83 was going to be announced earlier than the n85?

cheers!

5pteron

It's another N81!!! When will Nokia ever dump that N81 design?
It's not like what we have seen from the patent thing?

Anyway, but that doesn't look like it has widescreen??
And what happened to its flash? Only two-LED FLASH??
To be kind, only if it had a XENON FLASH, I was gonna buy it.
...............

blueskies

Almost twin-looking: N96 and "suspected N85"


we have more than enough N81-lish design.......

Freddo

Eldar said that N85 would be released before N83. Seems strange to me, but what do I know?

I really don't like this "new" look of the N-series. Since N81 was released almost a year ago, they have been look pretty much the same with that ugly unsymmertical bright key to the right of the D-pad.

The N85 here looks particulary bad, but considering it's an early prototype, I'm not gonna judge it too harshly. But I sure hope that Nokia some day will release powerful phones without that multimedia key.

Kinda annoying one has to go down to the Nokia 6xxx phones to find a S60 phone that looks decent, but then there's no 3.5mm jack or other features one wants, although the 6220 Classic is very close.

Viipottaja

No we don't have more than enough of these designs. It's an N Series design line, not a N81 design.

The screen does indeed look like a QVGA shape, so is this the rumored N88 mentioned in the first post of this thread (and not the N85)? Looks like it to me.

Nice to see a lens cover as well (I thought "someone in the know" said they are not going to use them anymore.. )

5pteron

Even though I am disappointed at this device, it's certainly sure that this phone will be better than N96.

xkube

i hope thats not N85! it looks super bland N81 version.

N96 is sexier compare to this and N81 btw.

Viipottaja

5pteron.. err.. how so exactly? You don't know much of the specs yet? I suspect it won't have 16GB built in, or digi TV, or the kick stand. Screen might be smaller too. So the only thing going for this one seems to be size/thickness and probably price. Does that make it _better_ than N96?

Rahvin

Nokia are doing with n81 what moto did to RAZR: exploit the design!
Well all is good, but they should not exceed!
n85 looks quite good,.,

5pteron

Sorry if I made myself super unclear. What I tried to mean is that this phone going to be better than N96 in my opinion at LEAST for ME. And yes, I consider size and price more important than the features of N96 you mentioned such as 16GB built in(who knows if this will have it? At least seeing from the point that Eldar mentioned there will be couple of phones with 16GB built in, and even if it doesn't have this, I won't really care), digi TV(doesn't work here) and kick stand(no use if digi TV doesn't work). I'm guessing that this phone will have better battery(how can it go even more down than 960mAh? Impossible.) and equal screen size(looking at its screen which fetched widely to the edges). Also provided that it has a lens cover as opposed to N96, it won my heart more than N96 did, again, not to mistake, I emphasize, at least for ME.

Razer

The N85 looks weird.

icaka

I don't think thats N85, maybe N83/N88. I kinda miss the supposed "oh so cool!" factor of N85 - widescreen and etc. in those pics.

Freddo

True enough. But I think they should focus on a design line that actually looks good

I can't say I'm particulary fond of how the N81/N78/N96 looks, at all. But E51 is gorgeous, but that one doesn't get 3.5mm jack and other features I want. *sigh*

oneclick

That phone looks a little small, isn't the n85 supposed to be big-screened?