chlettn

The 30-FPS-phone might be the Z8 - as it is already marketed as a video phone.

I just hope that the "media monster" phone is basically a Z8 with better cam, bigger display (2.2" is just a bit too little for a dedicated video phone imho - 2.4" should be the lower boundary) and a 3.5mm headphone jack. Then I'd get without second thought!

Related: Interview with Padmasree Warrior, CTO of Motorola talking about video phones and showing the Z8.

mustafabay

Motorola seems to be full of a lot of hot air. I wouldn't expext anything mind boggling. E8 ROKR would be my guess, since they seem to want it to compete with the iPhone and the E6 is their best phone on the market imho. Maybe that LAZR? It's outer screen is 2" so what's inside? I just don't see anything actually ground breaking.
30 fps Full Motion video? Never heard of Half Motion video. Europe's systems are or at least used to be 25fpps and the US 30fps. But who counts really? If you don't tell us what resolution that video is going to be what's impressive. For me to be impressed it would have to be a 2.8" VGA screen playing 30fps full screen now that would be impressive.

Eomer

I wouldn't set your expectations too high, I doubt very much you will see anything new.

Liked your Padmasree Warrior interview link:

"The really high end devices now even have 2MP and 3MP cameras"

Yeah right, the N95 was anounced months and months ago and everyone knows about Sofia.

sms

yeah, that's pathetic, and very disappointing!

iron_mike010

The interview was aimed at an us audience right? well theyre slightly behind mobile phone technology wise there.

chlettn

Too bad - it sounded interesting...is there going to be a similar (higher spec'ed) "cousin" to the Z8 anytime soon?

Yeah, I couldn't resist grinning at that point too - she seemed even slightly hesitant to admit that there are 3MPx models out (which Motorola still lacks afaik)...

Eomer

Motorola has 3MP device out in Korea actually

The rest of us will see 3MP devices from Motorola before the end of this year probably.

I think I have said somewhere on this forum before that by the middle of 2008 Motorola will have caught up on the imaging side and it will no longer be such a black mark against them

If you actually look at the quality of video playback on the Z8, it is genuinely impressive - the LCD refresh rate is much better than that of the N95.
Moto have also made sure that the memory card capacity is future-proofed and the Z8 supports up to 32GB of additional storage if it's available.

So feel free to to get a 4GB micro-SD and load it up with content.

You will also find that the HSDPA download speed (depending on network coverage) is 3.6 MB on average rather than peak.
This means the phone can download content / browse very fast in optimum conditions.

Of course Motorola have done some deals on content and you should be able to buy content optimised for the phone.

chlettn

From what I've seen in YouTube hands-on videos, the video playback is very smooth, yes. And I really like the fact that it is capable of using SDHC-microSDs.

But I really have to say that 3MPx at the end of 2007 is simply too late - it's 1.5 years after most of the other manufacturers moved to 3MPx....

So, nothing interesting, new in Tuesday?

Don't you think that the phone plays only a small role in that aspect, while the network, its current load and reception quality play a much larger role?

Jasper Jones

the new "media monster"?
moto lazr:



source: http://www.areamobile.de/news/7255.html

AF

nope.. thats the "new razr" ..

I heard that this media monster is uiq powered..

saliquincer

dont mind , you know that it will be in razr house whatever it is.

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AF

saliquincer,

I heard that its something like the iPhone....

chlettn

Does anybody know when the announcement will take place?

superfly86

today ?
http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter

chlettn

superfly86, I was asking for a time rather than a date, though but thanks for the link

are_s

Some more info about this

http://mobhappy.com/blog1/2007/05/14...snt-a-one-off/

xumdeo

yep, today, we'll see legal, live pics soon :P

superfly86

http://www.videonewswire.com/MOTOROLA/39611/event.html

10 AM Eastern at GMT+1 about which hour would it be?

chlettn

I guess they mean the US Eastern Time - a little less than 2 hours to go apparently

EDIT:

So, presentation started...

The "media monster" is simply the Z8... B-O-R-I-N-G, Moto!

athos1111

P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C

AF

moto = pathetic

knights

just what i expected.... booorrrrriiiiinnnnngggg.....

Hellz Wind Staff

Ya'll were setting yourselfs up for something, thats why ya'll feel let down especially when Eomer confirmed after my post it was the Z8 being presented today in another thread. Face it, none of you will switch to Motorola

sms

don't worry guys eomer said they'll announce a second UIQ very soon...

mustafabay

But still you don't say you're going to announce something huge and then that something huge ends up being something you already announced. If you only had leaked a teaser of the Z8 like SE did with the W880 it would be acceptable.
The pictures on gizmodo are not too reassuring because the main pic has a Ming umong others and the supposedly announced a q8 and q9. Or is moto reusing all its designs. They could do it if they wanted to be like car manufacturers but still would have to rerelease every phone every year.

MR

They will show something special

Full screen on the front slider, slide keyboard behind it. Slim, UIQ touchscreen device..... 5.0 mpixel camera

MR

sms

imo, moto have NEVER announced anything huge -comparably at least

hey, that sounds good

athos1111

MR, so no 3MP stop in the Moto branch? Can't really imagine this fone though - once again it seems to be overcomplicated (depending on how the bottom slide moves underneath).

M H

WOW!

knights

MR

when? end of 2008?

Jo

bah same as always.

chlettn

Sounds a lot like Samsungs F700 to me - front almost totally occupied by a TS & slide-out keyboard. Only that this would have a proper OS!

That would also interest me - but from what I gather, this is not gonna be available before the end of 2007...

MR

I really do not know. There are two devices. One slider and one clamshell! Both will come, both are quite ready, but I do not know which one will come first.

The slider is the iPhone killer everybody is talking about. The complete front is a touchscreen and the keyboard will slide under it..... I heard some small things about it, gonna get me some more info about it upcoming weeks

When I said iPhone killer, my insider said yes, so I knew I had the right one.

MR

chlettn

MR, sounds very interesting! Maybe Eldar has some more news? Eomer?

Jasper Jones

thanks for the info MR!
now that is the interesting news from moto you talked about some time ago..

knights

if moto has this, im sure SE will have much superior device (considering that they own UIQ)... im not trying to flame here, but moto seems to be always late when it comes to features... but honestly, im interested with this device.. keep it up MR.... and anyway, thanks for the infos...

zeem35

if it has SE logo i think it will sell better
im usin a moto v3 temporarily.. who knows.. if i like it i will buy it i mean iphone killer

playdead

There is Z9 (3G/HSDPA Z8), if I remember that correct... But Z9 have nothing to do with TS slider MR is talking about.
That product we will see (if only) by mid-2008. I would call it E8/9
Still unknown for me, will it be available in Europe, E6 situation can repeat...


I stick the thread, from now next moto announcements discuss here!!

Eomer

Let's get a couple of things straight.
I NEVER said there would be another UIQ phone announced very soon, but yes there will be another one before the end of this year.
MR has jumped the gun, it is partially true what he says, but not for this year.

I get bored of people going on about Moto lack of features.
I think people on this forum generally mean imaging
I have said, yawn, a number of times before it is a weak point but by middle of next year will not be.

mustafabay

And including a 5MP camera? It wouldn't happen to be made by Samsung? It sounds just like the F700.

Moto said they will be expanding the ROKR brand, which is a decision that took them too long to notice. And we got a ROKR Z6, which I guess should be like the RIZR but with the S9 headphones and a bigger memory card. If they really were serious about expanding ROKR the V8 with 2GB should've been a ROKR too.

playdead

Eomer, will E8 have 2GB of memory?

Eomer

Eldar has written an analysis of Moto's strategy and although I might disagree with some aspects (more later) I think it is a good analysis.

There are some good clues in there about what you will see over the coming months. Read it carefully.

Jo

Eomer, imaging its not the only thing they lack... 3.5mm jackports, wifi, gps, 8gb -4gb storage, autofocus, xenon flash, optical zoom, high resolution screens and open platform smartphone (the z8 its changing that... but lack before mentioned features, that could be included considering it release price)

knights

that z8 is the only solution for symbian smartphone and no upcoming models based on this platform atleast before mid of 2008?

like 3 rokr models for this year......

chlettn

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/0...sensor-for-ca/

So Motorola will start using 5MPx cameras from Kodak, and they might be at least announced before the end of 2007 - very interesting! Another detail showing that Moto becomes a company to watch out for once again for us high-end fans ...

Hellz Wind Staff

Thats actually old news, its been said on this forum before that it will happen, just that finally they are going to be implementing them, about bloody time too.

chlettn

Hellz Wind Staff, but still it is nice to see some semi-official confirmation imho.

And anyway, I haven't been following Motorola rumors until recently out of sheer lack of interest

Eomer

I think you'll find I've been saying for a while that Motorola's imaging solutions will be ona par with the current leaders by middle of next year. Remember, it's not just the megapixels but the image processing algorithms, applications that you then use to edit/distribute, etc that also matter. Watch out also for optical zoom and xenon flash, I don't think SEMC and Nokia can have it all their own way in this area next year.

marvin

Nice to know.


Really, you actualy expect to use the Z8 phone for the next 3 years? Because as it is, 4GB micro SD is quite rare where I live. 8GB is nowhere in sight. I'd be lucky to see 16G micro SD by end of 2008. 24GB by early 2009. And I have to live in a cave totally isolated from cellphone advances to still use the Z8 by 2010 when I can expect to see 32GB cards become available and reasonably priced. Sorry but I don't see a 32Gb card available within the shelf life of the Z8. The Z8 will be obsolete by the time 32GB micro SD cards become available. This 32GB advantage of the Z8 is totally wasted and currently immaterial.

Oh, and a faster refresh rate on the 2.2" compared with that on the 2.6" screen of the N95? How much faster? It's not as it we're talking day and night difference here, are we? Another wasted advantage. You just have to watch a movie on the N95, whether QVGA or VGA, and compare that on a 2.2" screen and tell me which one is more pleasing to the eye.

The way I see it, by the time the Z8 arrives in the market, the N95 will have settled in the $500 price point. If I want a real "media monster" I'd have to get my head examined if I bought a Z8 at $700 when I could get the N95 for much lesser. My stand remains, Motorola is in deep cow dung if it now wants bigger profit margins by overpricing their new underwhelming products. I admit their current products are underpriced. My well-featured E6 is a mere $390 when I bought it when it could have been priced at $500 and I would have still gotten one. But now they are overpricing their products with totally questionable advantages and have features other products can deliver at cheaper price.