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K800i and N73 comparison

I'm just going to do a straight side by side comparison, I'll try and leave opinion out of it

Size:
K800i is slightly smaller, it's narrower and shorter, but has a bulge for the camera cover.

For most of the back the N73 is thicker than the K800i, other than the camera cover. The k800i feels smaller in your hand, but not a lot.

Build:
K800i is better, feels more solid. The N73 creaks a bit, and if you push the edge of the front under the keypad it bends quite easily, I noticed that when closing the card slot once. The N73 batter cover moves a tiny amount and that causes nearly all the creaking.
The K800i keypad as a more solid feel to it, and clicks quite loudly, the N73 feels softer, spongier, but is quiter because of it.
The N73 camera cover feels more solid, but is quite stiff.
The K800i keypad is bigger than the N73's
The N73 joystick is stiff, and the glossy finish has mad it slip for a me a couple of times, I have to pus h against the side with my nail occasionally to make sure it's pressed. the K800i is softer and eaiser to move, but also easier to make a mistake with.

Screen:
The N73 is lovely to use, the screen is huge, clear and bright. The colours are great too. The K800i is noticably sharper as it is quite a lot smaller.
The K800i has stronger colours and is brighter, also easier to see in sunlight, especially the standby clock.
The N73 has better contrast and blacks.

Sound:
The speakers on both phone produce a very similar balance of sound, the N73 is much louder, the speakers on top are much better than the ones at the bottom, they sound quite harsh and tinny. This is only really noticable with the 3D ringtones option though.
Call quality, I'd go fo rthe K800i, it's a bit louder and sounds fuller, again the N73 sounds a bit tinny. there's not much difference though.
I haven't tried either with a wired headset.

Speed:
So far the K800i is faster at everything, the main menu, starting the camera, starting music etc. The N73 is faster than previous S60 phones, but still lags a bit.

Camera:
N73: ~4s startup, ~2s shutdown
K800: ~3s startup, ~1s shutdown

Time to focus, take and save an image:
N73: ~8s
K800i: ~4s

Music player start to song playing:
N73 ~4s
K800i: <2s

Main menu:
N73: <1s
K800i: <1s

N73 navigates faster, animations slow K800i down. Opening menu items is faster on the K800i, N73 always pauses for bit.

Review button:
K800i: <1s
N73: ~4s

Now for one I can't time, I might try and video it though, reviewing the gallery is much fsater on the K800i, it's always got a preview. The N73 will show icons at first, it takes a few seconds to show a preview.

3gp video of the gallery speed


Entertainment:
Music playback is easier and smoother on the K800i, the external controls are much better than the player on the N73, which uses on screen controls you have to select. I've also had some tracks stuttering on the N73 when doing other stuff, like starting the camera. This doesn't happen on the K800i.

Video playback
The N73 screen is really nice to view images and videos on, but the playback isn't that good. I sent a couple of clips encoded for the K800i ot my N73, both quite high bit rate, and the N73 stutters. It also won't play a few others I have, which play fine on the K800i. Not sure why.
The video play overall is much better onhte K800i, the cue/review is left and right on the joystick, not up and down, it has more view options, zoom while playing and frame capture.
I don't get the N73 player, left and right no longer control the volume, but they left cue/review as up and down?
I know the N73 will probably get extra video format options, but if it has trouble with these it may have trouble with the bitrate overall.

Camera:

The main feature of them both.
Overall the N73 has great colours and contrast, but very strong noise reduction eats the details, and alot of images have a red cast, expecially low light ones. Low light performance is abysmal. The K800i has weaker colours and contrast most of the time, but more detail and much better low light performance. Oddly, the PhotoDL auto levels will make the K800i levels very similar to the N73.
The controls aren't the easiest in the world, I've seen the shutter mentioned a couple of times, the problem with this is that it's too far into the body, making it hard to press. This causes some camera shake as you force it down. I also find it's a bit too close to the end of the phone, making it more awkward to hold, I'd prefer it where the review button is.
On screen controls are quite good, but not as easy as the k800i.
You can switch to video by pressing the joystick in, but this takes a good few seconds. Pressing up or down takes you to differen menu options, such as scenes, flash, whitebalance etc.
For example, switchingto Macro mode takes 5 key presses on te n73, it's one on the K800i. The dedicated scene/shoot mode buttons make the K800i much easier, as does using the keypad for other shortcuts.
Lowlight previews on the K800i are better too, the framerate is faster on the N73 but ther is alot of noise making it hard to see what you are shooting in some cases.
The low light focusing varies, they are roughly the same in macro, but over around 50cm the K800i AF lamp really makes a difference, the N73 can't pick much up from it's own light after that.
Overall the K800i is much easier to use, faster and produces better images.

Examples:

K800i


N73


K800i


N73


K800


N73


K800


N73


Those are the main points I can think of, ask if there is something else you want to know.
Old 31-07-2006, 16:47
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Yeah thanks for your effort!

No doubt the N73 devotees will get stuck in to you later But by way of excuse, Symbian phones always tend to be a bit laggy so no big surprise there.
On the whole i'm glad i plumped for N80 over N73/N93, they really bring nothing new to the party IMO.
K800i is great value seeing as its touted as ?249 on PAYG, might buy one when the price decends yet further
Old 31-07-2006, 17:06
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sidneylopsides, great comparison. And I am really worried about those pics made by the N73. Those are not that good as I expected. I had my own small comparison of N73 and K800i pics with pre-release models and those showed a small better quality for the N73. But if I look at this the N73 looses!

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Old 31-07-2006, 17:13
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sidneylopsides, thanx a lot for the comparisson, great!

Regarding the photo in light condition, the N73 is better for me:


But the k800i low-light shots are noticeable better...
Old 31-07-2006, 17:36
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sidneylopsides, there is stutter when video is played on my n71 at higher bitrates, so is video really smooth in k790i even at higher bitrates than n73?
Old 31-07-2006, 17:57
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thanks for that sid, i really do like the look of the n73.its been calling my name since i first saw the pictures of it lol

one question, hows the battery life compaired to the k800i? also can you do me a favour, can you post a pic of them side by side so i can see the thickness differences....i have a bad imaigination...and bad spelling
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Old 31-07-2006, 18:18
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I surprised the N73 looks a lil bigger than my expectation, but the features in N73 is quite tempting, the stereo speaker sound promising. But i would opt for K800i because the camera are outstanding. One thing i didn't like from the K800i is we can't use the xenon bulb as flash light like in K750i. Maybe this will consume a lot of battery. Last but not least, thanx for the review, sidneylopsides.
Old 31-07-2006, 18:30
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Got my N73 today. Cant understand how you can say that K800 feels thinner? The lenscover of K800 is just so big and annoing. Yes Ive tried it. N73 is so slick and dissapears into the backcover. Really nice feeling and quality compared to K800 floppy one. If you are a pocketcarrier then K800 is NOT the deal.

The screen of the N73 is just so wonderful and BIG Compared to K800 if feels like 28" Vs 42" K800 really feels old.

You say "Time to focus, take and save an image:
N73: ~8s". Thats a hell lot of more then on mine! 4-5 sec on mine. Can show you with movie. Did you start time from when you push button until it show the still or?

jeg_elsker: If you know the size on N70. This one feels slimmer and smaller. And weighs less. Really good size. Remember it has a huge screen too

The 3D stereospeaker effects are really cool and special
Old 31-07-2006, 18:31
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Yeah, the day time shot of the K800 seems more "washed out", but overall the K800's camera is better in all ways. I've always thought that SE phones were better for Multimedia purposes. Series 60 is more of a compromise. Jack of all trades yada yada yada...............you get the point.
Old 31-07-2006, 18:36
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tkao2025, I actually think that the K800 is a compromise in terms of multimedia - a small screen & bad video recording are not the things I'd like to see in a top-notch multimedia phone.
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Old 31-07-2006, 18:55
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Both fair points!

Quote:
Originally Posted by chlettn
tkao2025, I actually think that the K800 is a compromise in terms of multimedia - a small screen & bad video recording are not the things I'd like to see in a top-notch multimedia phone.
But the things ?250 on PAYG, What exactly do you expect at that price point?
Old 31-07-2006, 18:58
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But the things ?250 on PAYG, What exactly do you expect at that price point?
K800 is a really good camdevice for it?s price. Nothing can take it. But if you want more of everything, go for the N73

It?s ohlalala

My girlie looks jelous.. Must give her some time now or not..
Old 31-07-2006, 19:01
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mweb6161, better video recording shouldn't cost a fortune Samsung & Nokia manage it too in mid-end handsets. And I refuse to believe that the K800's hardware limits it capabilities, especially after it performs so well in video playback and SLS stated that a benchmarking program resulted in a CPU speed >200MHz...

Screen is a different story, point taken...
Old 31-07-2006, 19:02
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Macromode N73. Havent been able to take that much pics cause it?s Mordor here today. Heavy raining and thunder. Not what my N73 want

Old 31-07-2006, 19:10
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tkao2025, I actually think that the K800 is a compromise in terms of multimedia - a small screen & bad video recording are not the things I'd like to see in a top-notch multimedia phone.
Yes, sorry you are right. The K800 does have poor video recording compared to Symbian. I was only thinking of pictures and music. For me that's all I use the multimedia for.
Old 31-07-2006, 19:28
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Here are some videos i have for my k800. Could you see if they will work on the n73 and how well?

Thanks

http://rapidshare.de/files/27355153/...liant.3gp.html

Champions League 2005 final clip

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3X1POWP6

Smallville clips

password for bottom one ( but i dont think it neds one) is

phonevidz.com

I want to see if the codecs have improved in the n73 as the n70 could not previously take some mp4 vidz that the w800 could.
Old 31-07-2006, 20:19
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it is indeed with difficulty molars between 2 of the super tel. nou I TOG for the nokia would go.
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Old 31-07-2006, 20:57
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Got my N73 today. Cant understand how you can say that K800 feels thinner? The lenscover of K800 is just so big and annoing. Yes Ive tried it. N73 is so slick and dissapears into the backcover. Really nice feeling and quality compared to K800 floppy one. If you are a pocketcarrier then K800 is NOT the deal.

The screen of the N73 is just so wonderful and BIG Compared to K800 if feels like 28" Vs 42" K800 really feels old.

You say "Time to focus, take and save an image:
N73: ~8s". Thats a hell lot of more then on mine! 4-5 sec on mine. Can show you with movie. Did you start time from when you push button until it show the still or?

The 3D stereospeaker effects are really cool and special
I've been carrying the two phone around with me the last three days and the K800i just feels a a bit smaller to me I don't really notice the lens cover, I must just be used to it. I've never had any trouble with the lens cover and I always carry it in a pocket, the fact it opens the other way helps.

The screen on the N73 is great to use, being so big is really nice, but as i said it's a shame the video playback doesn't match.
The picture taking was from the very first press to the saved image being shown, I tried it a few times and it was roughly the same. I gave it time to focus and didn't jsut skip it by pressing all the way. I jsut tried again and while I was trying to take the photo got and error "Camera already in use"

The 3D effect is quite cool, I want to see some impressive 3D games with 3d sound now!

Also, the K800i tested as having a 210MHz processor

edit: A couple of other things that are different
The K800i changes the symbol input for what you are using, so if you are entering text it's the normal . , ! ? etc, but entering a web address gives you . @ / : that you are more likely to need, the N73 stays the same so address entering is a longer task. Overall I much prefer the SE T9 system as it can reduce the keystrokes compared to others.
Old 01-08-2006, 00:47
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K800 is a photographic model with good video and audio playback functions. K800 won?t be matched in pictures on 3.2MP mobile range for now. Though it?s more limited besides these features.

N73 is a generic model, isn?t the best in nothing but can be used in all tasks: GPS, office reading, music/video/photos playback, SMS advanced management, full backup to the memory card, etc etc.

It?s a matter of picking the model that suits better a person.
Old 01-08-2006, 01:28
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N73 certainly takes better picture than K800 in daylight. The K800 photo looks washout. K800 on the other hand takes better picture in the dark. So I would say both these phones are evenly matched in still photo.

At the moment, N73 is the most advanced 3.2Mp (without wifi) phone. It excel in having a big screen, good video recording, stereo sound and of course smartphone capability allowing for unlimited customisation. But it is still considerable more expensive than K800 at the moment. But if you are willing to wait a month or two, the price should drop quite a bit.
Old 01-08-2006, 03:54
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rmcrys, i see you have a k750i - would you upgrade to the k800i?


sidneylopsides, is the battery life significantly better on the k800i?

Also, are my eyes fooling me or is the second set of pictures you took (nightshot) much better for the N73 vs. k800i? Everybody else seems to think otherwise. I couldn't make out any de-noising or faded spots.

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Old 01-08-2006, 07:55
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I now tested with a stopwatch. It?s 6 to 7 seconds for pics. never 8 but also never below 5. Sorry for misleading. Counting like when driving a car isnt that correct 1001, 1002 ...

Batterylife is realy good! Played with mine constantley since yesterdag. Still full bars.
Old 01-08-2006, 09:13
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Both prices of the two phones are the same in Taiwan
$18800 (EURO450)
Old 01-08-2006, 09:14
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Has anyone managed to test those videos
Old 01-08-2006, 09:53
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Has anyone managed to test those videos
The rapidlink is broken..
The other movie has these data. If K800 plays that smallvillemovie I?ll eat my sock

Xvid
320*208
24fps
48KHz samplerate for sound.

Ofcourse it wont work.

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Old 01-08-2006, 09:56
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Screen:
The N73 is lovely to use, the screen is huge, clear and bright. The colours are great too. The K800i is noticably sharper as it is quite a lot smaller.
The K800i has stronger colours and is brighter, also easier to see in sunlight, especially the standby clock.
The N73 has better contrast and blacks.
I noticed the K800 brightness setting in display is set to maximum by default. Is N73 also set to maximum brightness?
Old 01-08-2006, 11:39
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Nice to see the k800i can stand on it's on against the big boys

offtopic: shouldn't this be in the general chat forum?
Old 01-08-2006, 12:42
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I noticed the K800 brightness setting in display is set to maximum by default. Is N73 also set to maximum brightness?
You mean expoisuresettings? In N73 it is set to zero. Must be the same on K800??
Old 01-08-2006, 12:44
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You mean expoisuresettings? In N73 it is set to zero. Must be the same on K800??
No, I meant the screen brightness, under settings-display-display. By default its set to 100%. Series60 phones are usually set to something around 50%.
Old 01-08-2006, 12:57
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No, I meant the screen brightness, under settings-display-display. By default its set to 100%. Series60 phones are usually set to something around 50%.
Ah sorry. Yes it is set to 50% on N73. 100% makes it really bright but you dont need that. It also have a powersavingmode that completely turns the screen off and then a blue diod lights up with 2 sec between.

Why is K800 on full? Does it have to be you think?
Old 01-08-2006, 12:59
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Purx

get ready to eat your sock... k800i/w900i have been using better quality files then the sample you loaded

try this.. i'm sure you're s60 phone can be pushed a little further too

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also i have my k800i on 50% and the brightness is quite sufficient

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Old 01-08-2006, 16:03
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Purx

get ready to eat your sock... k800i/w900i have been using better quality files then the sample you loaded

try this.. i'm sure you're s60 phone can be pushed a little further too

<requested to be edited out>

also i have my k800i on 50% and the brightness is quite sufficient
So K800 has 30fps handeling? Why doesnt it show on videorecordings?
Can it handle 48KHz and higher resolution then the display can show?

So this clip from smallville will work fine if you just put it on your K800 and choose play file?

I find it hard to believe that it supports Xvid (dvi) files. But if it do all I said then it?s good really!

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Old 01-08-2006, 16:15
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yes... playback is rock solid on the k800i/w900i the video recording though is an embarassement

just check out the encoder and run a few clips... it's 3 clicks very easy to use.. and guarantee max video quality

try this

http://www.vapulus.com/w900i/videos/belle.zip

Video stats:
398kbps xvid mpeg4 video.
96kbit HE-AAC audio.
Total data rate 494kbps. (!)
Old 01-08-2006, 16:18
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yes... playback is rock solid on the k800i/w900i the video recording though is an embarassement
That is really good! You know it?s upper limits?

Samplerate (audio)
kbps (video and audio)
framerate (fps)
resolution (screen)
Old 01-08-2006, 16:20
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try this

http://www.vapulus.com/w900i/videos/belle.zip

Video stats:
398kbps xvid mpeg4 video.
96kbit HE-AAC audio.
Total data rate 494kbps. (!)

i'm at work right now.. but i'll get you some more stuff later


http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...8&page=1&pp=15
Old 01-08-2006, 16:22
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try this

http://www.vapulus.com/w900i/videos/belle.zip

Video stats:
398kbps xvid mpeg4 video.
96kbit HE-AAC audio.
Total data rate 494kbps. (!)

i'm at work right now.. but i'll get you some more stuff later


http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...8&page=1&pp=15
Works beautiful on my N73 in fullscreen mode Thanks!
The movie do say 24fps but N73 shouldn?t handle more then 15fps. What do I miss out here?
Old 01-08-2006, 16:32
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Works beautiful on my N73 in fullscreen mode Thanks!
The movie do say 24fps but N73 shouldn?t handle more then 15fps. What do I miss out here?
not sure.. i guess the encoding is efficient enough to help it along a bit.

glad it works on your phone.. the new convertor that mysh built so be able to push the limits even further
Old 01-08-2006, 16:40
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i think this is better placed in the general forum because thats where general discussion about phones involving more than 1 manufacturer go (and where the intention isn't to buy a phone).
Old 01-08-2006, 16:47
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I'm curious to check out the n73 for myself as well.. so i can see how it compares to the k800i

should have 1 next week to play around with but.. from what i've heard and from previous s60 experience n80

i'll go with this

nokia n73 wins
reception (quadband+3g)
memory (2 gig max, cheaper then m2, but m2 is suppose to go up to 32 gig)
camera (video)
screen size
UI (s60 but without strong 3rd party support the UI's are both relatively the same

k800i wins
camera (pics)
music player
build quality

ties
video playback both handle HQ video with high frames rates

depends what each person wants though.. for myself i need music and cam which is why the k suits me more
Old 01-08-2006, 16:59
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does that mean that k800 plays xvid files?
Old 01-08-2006, 17:01
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does that mean that k800 plays xvid files?
it plays mp4 that is encoded with xvid
Old 01-08-2006, 18:14
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the k800?s photos are better i think that they are more real than n73
Old 01-08-2006, 19:51
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i impressed at the n73 it has the same screen size of a phone double its size! (n93)
if nokia keeps on making other models based on the n73, i can say nokia is clear off compitition for 6-8 months
Old 01-08-2006, 22:04
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Some ppl seem to think that N73 has a better screen than K800 just bcs it's bigger (physical size)?
But both screens have the same resolution, 320x240, so it means that N73 has a bigger pitch and is less sharp.

N80's screen is smaller (physical size) than N73's, but it has a bigger resolution (352x416) and is better!
Maybe they didn't use the same bcs of the higher price, but why not using a smaller one so that the mobile could also have been smaller...
Old 01-08-2006, 22:19
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The video playback is certainly smoother on the K800i, and you have more viewing options, like fit to screen, auto size and original size.

The file size the phone uses to estimate the remaining pictures is different too, the N73 is 720KB and the K800i is 830KB, both on best quality settings.
Old 01-08-2006, 22:21
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I agree

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Some ppl seem to think that N73 has a better screen just bcs it's bigger (physical size)?
But both screens have the same resolution, 320x240, so it means that N73 has a bigger pitch and is less sharp.

N80's screen is smaller (physical size) than N73's but has a greater resolution (352x416)... and it's much better!
262K QVGA screens have been around since the GX30, the 903s screen is 2.4 inch i think, i dont remember Nokia fans bleating on about how wonderfull that was!!
Old 01-08-2006, 22:22
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Some ppl seem to think that N73 has a better screen just bcs it's bigger (physical size)?
But both screens have the same resolution, 320x240, so it means that N73 has a bigger pitch and is less sharp.

N80's screen is smaller (physical size) than N73's but has a greater resolution (352x416)... and it's much better!
Comparing N80 to N73 display is not fair. There is a uge difference. But to say N73 isnt sharp is not true. You have too see it to judge it!
It is really sharp and good looking. I prefer it?s size to K800 I can tell. You wont see a difference if you dont put them side by side. And even then it would be hard for most people.

N80 screen is outstanding though. Nothing beats it.

mweb6161: Maybe cause Nokia fans run Nokia and SE fans run SE?
Who runs Sharp really? Should be you then
Old 01-08-2006, 22:23
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Purx, I never said it's not sharp... I said less sharp.
And I dont need to see it to say that, when 2 screens have the same resolution but not the same size, the smaller will be sharper...

I have tried a K800 and a N80, their screens have a smaller pitch than N73 and are both very good and perfectly readable, so IMO there's no need for a bigger pitch... that's why I don't understand Nokia's choice.
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