Maxime

Yup they make great cars: http://www.spykercars.nl/?pag=1

Too bad these phones look awful.They should have made a Vertu Special Edition...

Mobile Phone Helpdesk

The design will be changed because the prototypes on the photos are made out of plastic. The eventual devices will be made out of stainless steel or other high-quality material.

Razer

THats good.And what features do the phones have?

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deuxani

What I like to know is, where has our sleeping giant HTC been? We haven't heard anything of them for a pretty long time. Is it because they are preparing the transition to larger resolution screens? Are they having trouble? No info has emerged for a while now.

MTM

deuxani, I would like to know that, too. although we have seen a little bit in the form of the upcoming MDA IV from T-Mobile at CeBIT. Can't wait for some more information about that and other new high-end HTC devices, though.

deuxani

MTM, it's weird that T-Mobile has put the MDA Compact IV on their Cebit stand and hasn't released anymore info about it later on. What I'm suspecting here (also when we look at SE's X1, which had all Windows Mobile related buttons erased from their press photos), that everyone is waiting with the announcements of new devices till Microsoft FINALLY reveals Windows Mobile 6.1 officially. Might this be the hold up? And what is Microsoft taking so long? It's not like it's that big a difference with the previous installment and it's already a public secret. Latest rumors are saying CTIA will be WM 6.1's announcement. Along with some nice HTC handsets?

MTM

deuxani, yes, it sure seems a bit weird. I guess they're waiting for the official Microsoft announcement of Windows Mobile 6.1, too. It wouldn't surprise me if it was announced at CTIA, but I doubt we will see any new HTC devices at that event. After all, CTIA is an American event and HTC is not really that big over there (they're almost only sold through the operators, who will announce the devices themselves). I guess we have to wait a bit longer (about a month?) before we will see HTC present their new high-end devices.

Denver

April will bring us new flagship HTC device, with all the specs Badger mentioned. Add to this 4GB built-in memory, touchFLO interface, very sleek design. SE Xperia X1 is not as attractive and less specced. The name of the new HTC is very sparkling

M H

bright spark ?

Very nice, HTC will rock the world on April

badger

Microsoft have been stomping their feet and have told all OEMS to keep a low profile on their 6.1 devices. There are at least 6 HTC prototypes flying around at the moment.

The t-mo device is called HTC Diamond, there are also two others based on the same hardware. One styled like Tytn II & Touch Dual.

Once Microsoft release the embargo on talking about 6.1 we will see a gold rush of devices being announced from HTC, operators (t-mo & co) and other OEMS.

deuxani

ver, badger, thanks for the inside info! We really needed this inside confirmation of how things are with HTC's new devices and the state of Windows Mobile 6.1. So April it is then (if Microsoft doesn't decide otherwise of course).
By the way, are we talking relative (to the X1) quick announcements or might most devices only be available around Q4 of this year? I'm really longing for a high resolution pocketable device! And ver, you made me very curious when saying that some of these HTC devices are much more attractive than the X1! (Especially spec wise)

EDIT: so here are some new VGA screenshots of HTC's WM6.1: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/galle...anilla/?page=1

MTM

ver, badger, that sounds absolutely great! I just got a big smile on my face. I'm seriously looking forward to these devices

What sizes are we talking about here? The device T-Mobile showed (MDA Compact IV / HTC Diamond) looked pretty skinny and seemed to have a large screen - something like the size of the Polaris, but a bit thinner and with a little larger screen.
If the Touch Dual style device is the size of the original Touch Dual, but maybe a bit thinner and with a 2.8" VGA screen, I think I'm sold.

I don't know exactly what market HTC is aiming at, but they still need to get better cameras if they want to go really mass-market. 3 megapixels (which the new models seem to have) just don't cut the mustard for the average consumer for such expensive devices. If they put a serious effort into this area they could, in my opinion, give some of Nokia's high-end Nseries devices a serious run for their money. The brand HTC is getting more known over here and their devices are for the most part better built and have a better design than most of Nokia's Nseries devices. Consumers are still largely unaware of what operating system their phones are running, but are very much focused on features (especially the camera), design and of course the price (and here the operators come into the picture of course).

Denver

MTM, it is not bigger than Touch (Elf), but also narrower, more comfortable to hold.
When I told about Xperia X1, I meant that HTC would newer allow other product made by them but under other company (SEMC) branding with more or less similar specs to hit the market first. Time difference is several months, which make X1 far less attractive than it seems now. Fuss, that's all about early announcement of the X1.

MTM

ver, good to hear! I did some measurements on the leaked render of MDA Compact IV (HTC Diamond) back when they surfaced, and if it is a 2.8" screen (which I think it is now taking your comments into consideration) it should be 53-55 mm wide which should mean it will be vastly easier to operate using only one hand. The 58 mm of my KS20 is a bit too much for my average western male hands
Will the version with vertical slide (the Touch Dual-like one) be even less wide or are they keeping the width and maybe also the the screen size (2.8" instead of 2.6")?

Sounds good about the release date, too. Can you give more of an exact hint?
I'm guessing August release of HTC devices (it's been a year since TyTN II release then) and something like October for the Xperia X1?

I just hope the camera is vastly superior to the fixed-focus one of Touch Dual. It isn't of much use and the N82 I'm borrowing at the moment has got me spoiled

deuxani

ver, that's a nice confirmation again about the specs of HTC's coming devices! I hope tomorrow brings us at least one announcement of a HTC phone.

athos1111

Yeah, and we won't just be fooled

MTM

deuxani, I somehow doubt we will see anything from HTC tomorrow. Are they even attending CTIA? Their main market seems to be Europe, so I guess they will announce new devices on a press conference somewhere in Europe soon.

athos1111, imagine if e.g. Nokia announced N97 with everything the N96 has plus xenon flash, VGA screen, optical zoom etc., and then the next day told us it was all an April fool's joke. I would love to see the reaction from a lot of people in here

MTM

Can we get a hint from an insider what the HTC Raphael is? The Diamond with slide-out qwerty keyboard perhaps?

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/0...l-smartphones/

And when is the announcement of the new HTC devices taking place? Are they having a press conference (like the one with Touch Dual, S730 and P6500) or are they just issuing a press release (like with Touch Cruise)?

By the way, sorry about the double post, but else nobody would notice there was something new in this thread.

badger

MTM Spot on

The Diamond is small (read tiny) HSPDA 7.2 + UPA, 3.1mpx camera, VGA, level sensor, 4gb, wlan, gps, 568mhz based on the Qualcomm 7200a chipset. Raphael is the same with a slide querty and there is also a slide up t9/suretype variant.

x1 was called something else before SEMC licenced it.

p.s - the pics on boy genuis are not manila UI - Its far better.

MTM

badger, I'm really looking forward to Diamond and the one with numeric/SureType keypad (will there be both versions like with Touch Dual?). The full qwerty is too much for me - I need to be able to use the keypad one-handedly.

Can you spill any beans on when we will see an announcement? And if all three devices will be announced simultaneously? I have a feeling the slide-up variant will be dumbed down a little and be headed towards a more wide market segment - perhaps with no WiFi like in Touch Dual?

Was the X1 being developed by HTC before they had a deal with SEMC? Or maybe it's to hush to discuss here?

Looking forward to Manila then. HTC really seems to be on the right route with their UI enhancements of Windows Mobile

deuxani

badger, so the Raphael is the one I'm looking for! But how far away are we talking here in terms of release? Q2, Q3 or even Q4?

MTM

deuxani, I think we're talking about a Q2 release. After all the X1 competitor (must be the Raphael) should be on the market several months before before X1 according to ver and T-Mobile claimed a release date of May for their version of the Diamond (MDA Compact IV).
Funny how we're interested in the opposite models

badger, by the way, by level sensor I assume you mean accelerometer like in some of Nokia's models and the iPhone? In which way will they use it? For the camera and perhaps pictures and video playback, but maybe also throughout most of the operating system?

deuxani

Here it is people:



They are expecting the HTC Dream (first Google Android phone), but I expect at least the HTC Diamond and Rahael!

Source: PhoneMag

MTM

deuxani, just saw it on Engadget Mobile. I guess we will see HTC Diamond and probably also Raphael. Can we get any hints from insiders?

It would be nice to see all three variants (including the SureType/T9 variant) of the platform being announced, but I somehow doubt that. I also very much doubt it will have anything to do with Android.

deuxani

MTM, we are interested in the opposite device eeeh Lucky you, as I expect the Diamond to be released earlier! Wouldn't it be great to also have Google Android phones available! Finally a new smartphone OS.

Exactly, where is the inside information

deuxani

Are the phones on the bottom row new phones or did I miss something?

chlettn

They certainly look unusually rectangular...

deuxani

They certainly do. But because of that they look thinner than the bulky looking other phones in the picture.
I have never seen the 2 phones on the down right corner and also the phone on the down left corner (the QWERTY). Could they be the Rafael and Diamond? Especially because the one on the left and the one on the right look identical and one has a full QWERTY and probably the other one doesn't.
By the way, the QWERTY phone also has an extra row for the number keys. What are these phones?

athos1111

Wow. Low res, but IF these are not fake I can already see that the Touch Cruise will remain the last nice-looking HTC out there.. these are just yuck. I'm sure they'll be very smart though..

DevilsRejection

top row, left to right: tytn II, tytn II, touch cruise, touch

bottom row, left to right: unknown, P3470, unknown, unknown.

deuxani

Maybe Badger or Eomer can shed some light on this

Data.

in the second row i think are the same two phones in different positions

chilko

a bit bigger

Electric Mofo

The far right looks like android to me, also the top ones are the predecessors of the bottom. And its also the only one of the new handsets not actually turned on

Hamidi

second row: far right, 2nd from far right and far left look like all the same phone imo. the 2nd from far right is just a slight differnt colour

deuxani

More here: http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/23/h...-looking-good/

MTM

Seems strange that the CDMA/EVDO versions and GSM/HSPA versions share the same codenames?

Anyway, Diamond and Raphael look really tiny on that earlier spyshot. I hope HTC has worked a lot on the GUI (software optimization and implementation of graphic accelerator) so that it's working smooth and nice. Looking forward to May 6

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BTW< LG KF750 will be launched today, third black label device....

xell

Raphael has a certain X1 look on it.

shyguy

deuxani, do ur thing on photoshop n make us fall in luv with raphael & diamond !!

Crumcon

too bad its only VGA screen, X1 still beats it with its WVGA

t_makela

Does WVGA have problems with most of the apps (design for QVGA)? While reading AAS's comparison of E90 and i-Mate Ultimate 9502 with winmo 6, i-mate seems to struggle with it VGA screen. Is this winmo sucking or that phone sucking? If it's the wm's fault, will the 6.1 help anything?

edit.
After searching some reviews of toshiba portege G900 (WVGA and WM6), its seems that atleast G900 with WVGA is quite, but not 100% compatible with VGA.

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Tosh..._1787-p_6.html

IMO VGA is good compromise between great resolution for web and app-support in WM phones. WVGA is nice to have (N800 with that rez is joy for surfing the web), but full app support with VGA something IMO even more valuable. Also VGA ain't so bad for web.

BrightSpark

MTM

More information about upcoming the HTC devices:

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket...l-pro-details/

Final names should be:

HTC Diamond = HTC Touch Diamond
HTC Raphael = HTC Touch Pro
HTC Titanium = HTC Touch Dual Pro

HTC Touch Dual Pro should be the successor to HTC Touch Dual - i.e. it's going to have a vertical sliding numeric og SureType-like keypad.

Specifications (the same for all three devices, I guess):

- Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
- Qualcomm MSM 7201A @ 528MHz
- 256MB ROM / 128MB RAM
- 7.2MB HSDPA / HSUPA (rev A EVDO for Sprint versions)
- 2.8" VGA screen
- WiFi
- Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR
- eGPS
- 3.1MP Camera with flash
- Forward facing camera
- 4GB internal flash storage (Diamond only) - Samsung MoviNAND
- TV out (Raphael only)
- Orientation sensor (a-la-iPhone)
- FM Radio
- microSD expansion
- 900mAh battery

And sizes for two of them:

- Diamond: 51x99x10.7mm
- Raphael: 51x99x17mm

If those things are correct (do any insiders want to confirm it? ) they're pretty small, but the battery capacity is a little worrying...

raja

Any guesses on the weight of 'Diamond'?
LG KS20 weights 93gm. Do you think Diamond will get close?

Jo

900mah battery 520mhz cpu BIG NOOOO another v8

Awesome_Aleks

Wow, the above phones are very nice, 4GB memory + microSD card slot, orientation sensor, they look like the flagship phones of the range

I'm surprised they didn't strap a 5 megapixel snapper to combat Paris though...

t_makela

IMO that's because Paris isn't their direct rival, X1 and other WM powered phones are.