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icaka, I have the exact same feelings about this FP2. The thing I dislike the most about S60 is the lack of transitions, (good) animations, getting rid of the building up of the screen (you know, if you press messaging you first see the header being loaded, than the rest), just a more smooth UI (they can learn a lot from SE, Samsung and especially Apple in this department). If I look at the very first 7650 I see almost 0 improvement in the smoothness of the UI.
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N70 => N73 => E51 with each device alone the speed improvement (a real JUMP from on each dvice to the other) plus the stability of the UI (it took the N70 3 FW updates to run smoothely, the N73 1 update and the E51 runs perfectly allready) |
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16-12-2007, 13:49
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deuxani, in a way you're right. But i think we can't think anything about fp2 by impressions of show-off on 6290 and this emulator (it's not faster in terms of ui than my n73, though running on core2duo and 2gb of ram... Plus you can't install anything - even simple snakes or screenshot apps - to test the system). If you want some smoothness on s60 - look forward to touch ui
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16-12-2007, 14:13
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knights, exactly! I didn't mean smoothness in the sense of speed, but smoothness in the sense of look and feel.
Karim, faw, of course the speed has been improved and the icons look a lot better, but it's still left, right, up, down, nothing happens, no transitions for the selector, if you click an application you can clearly see how the screen is being built up (just click contacts from the standbyscreen, first you see the upperpart of the screen and then the rest. Another nice test is to quickly go to Settings > General > Personalisation...... you will see it's empty and saying "No data" and then being built up). S60 has evolved a lot and it's by far my favorite smartphone OS, but in terms of UI look and feel, it hasn't improved much. ICEman_c81, that's why the new Touch UI is something I'm really looking forward to!!  |
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16-12-2007, 14:53
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deuxani, I understand you very well. But would you trade stability for smoothness? Because that will be the choice in the first few months. I mean, until N95's successor comes, I wouldn't bother upgrading only because of FP2.
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16-12-2007, 15:23
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icaka, I don't think I would trade stability for smoothness, but as I see it, transitions and animations shouldn't influence the stability of a phone.
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16-12-2007, 19:20
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The new multimedia menu in N82 and N81 has some transitions gradient fills etc and according to a presentation in Nokia World, the multimedia menu will be refreshed with OVI launch. Apparently there is some work into the direction of more elegant looking user experience. Let's hope that we get some of that with firmware updates for N82/95/81 as well.
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17-12-2007, 15:45
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Any news if nokia have start to work with 9.5? we should heard something soon.. if they take it... remenber 9.5 was presented just 8 montha after 9.3.. Maybe the S60 touch will come with 9.5 and Omap 3430? |
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17-12-2007, 19:32
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3430 is 2009 at the earliest, you guys realize that it takes 2 years from chip announcement to product availability right?
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18-12-2007, 02:34
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3430 was announced in Feb 2006 at 3GSM.
3420/10 was announced in Feb 2007 at 3GSM. OMAP 4xxx to be announced in 2008? at Mobile World Congress? http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/2007_3gindia_mitra.pdf I think we will see OMAP3 in handsets in 2008, but most likely to be the FOMA handsets in Japan. Rumours however that the SE P5i may be OMAP3'd and Moto also have an agreement to use OMAP3 in their handsets. So if the competition is keen to take up OMAP3, I'd doubt Nokia are resting on their laurels they have OMAP3 phones in development for over 12 months now, and should have atleast announced product this time next year if it isn't on the shelves earlier I'd be surprised. |
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18-12-2007, 11:11
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here are some links and an actual screenshot of the new multimedia menu http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Pre...ounder_Ovi.pdf http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/...-a-dashbo.html |
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18-12-2007, 16:03
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18-12-2007, 19:46
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Ok so you mean with that..that Symbian 9.3 (fp2) will only come after july 2008 ...that is just 2 years after it was announced.... I dont know if nokia will adopt 9.5... but remenber 8.5 was announce just 8 months after the 9.3,,, so if the 9.5 dont come as you say earliest until 2009... then 9.3 shouldnt come until jully 2008... if is as you say... |
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18-12-2007, 19:50
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18-12-2007, 19:55
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Mustis, thanks. In the backgrounder PDF the last/only screenshot is exactly what I mean.. huge icons on top (or actually empty space above it, presumable for the status bar), with only a little space left for things on the active tab
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18-12-2007, 20:03
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shaolinmonk, bavlondon,
I think exactly the same. And after all, the triple slider will become a serious dust catcher. I would forget putting such a device in a jeans pocket without a carrying case, moreover, it will loose with time and will become some freaky wobbly toy. |
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18-12-2007, 20:27
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Anyway I wonder how they get such a patent through the validation process - with those Pantech devices (Duo and Ocean) using the same principle and being available since ages.
Trivial patents like this are just ridiculous... |
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18-12-2007, 20:40
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The triple slide idea looks pretty neat! But like many say here, first make a decent dual slider and then look at triple sliders.
 Btw... who here eagerly awaits a N95 like device with slide out QWERTY keyboard? I sure as hell do!! For now that would be my perfect phone. When I play around with the HTC S710 I really feel Nokia could make something similar. Just imagine the same size as the N95, 2.8" screen like the N95 8GB and a QWERTY keyboard sliding out to the side instead of a numeric keypad down. |
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18-12-2007, 20:40
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Hope the 6 or 8MP camera will come with Xenon flash,,, and we start (or continue) to see optical zoom.... also that larger screen Touch screen,, and if is 9.5 could come with Dvb-h and wimax as you said |
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18-12-2007, 20:48
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Deuxani I understand you very well and I am with you in this, but you have to understand the “bisines”. If a product is successful there are others following it.
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And how is this "confirmed" anyway?
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Jo, 640x240 was a pathetic try from X-Cute (I think) to pretend that they were having a "better-than-qvga" screen on.. while it was still a QVGA one and nothing fancy. That aspect ratio (2 and 2/3) is too narrow and even too wide to watch letterbox style movies (40:17).
If I should - I'd vote for HVGA (480*320) because it has already been confirmed a couple of months back OR on 3"+ screens the 800x480 (which is becoming standard in high-end Japanese phones - like Toshiba G900 e.g.), which has to be so beautiful, you'd really not want any more from a screen this small. After all.. WVGA is the resolution UMPC's run at 7".. |
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19-12-2007, 23:18
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What? N95 successor with no camera cover, same old resolution (judging by the pixelated screen in the pic), and the glossy design from the N81?
Meh, don't look like anything I would upgrade to, but hey, I want FP2 And I just love how is always M-R that gets the pics first! |
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20-12-2007, 13:51
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20-12-2007, 14:10
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Hmm.. What would be the purpose of the dual slider if the music keys are already around the D-Pad? Can't see anything there. Speakers like in the Samsung something something [Edit: apparently not as the speaker grilles are on the side at the corners]? Gaming keys?
Edit 2: The stand is also an interesting tweak, could point to it having a TV tuner inside? If it is thinner than N95 and with some additional specs thrown in, I could maybe forgive the N81 inspired design.. |
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20-12-2007, 14:12
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ICEman_c81, I agree that the handset cover can be forged easily. What is left is the screen that show FP2 UI, how was it done? FP2 hacked and run on an existing device(N81)? seems that photoshop work can't do it so real...
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