Sony Ericsson 'Alice'

[Memzee]

Some more rumours from the forum at Esato.com. I can't say I've ever heard of the guy that started it, but it seems that his source is reliable too. Exciting stuff for P series enthusiasts. It's all good until the idea about fingerprint scanning to unlock the phone. Read for yourself and make your own mind up. :)

http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=59242

[Delphi]

I thought Alice was the code name for the F700. SE always use womens names - Alice, Amy, Layla are the ones comming later this year

[Memzee]

Alice for F700? I haven't heard that before. I know that Layla is the supposed successor to the P900, but what's Amy?

[Delphi]

My understanding (and it is a while since I last saw the market names) is Layla = P910, Amy = next GSM calm

[Memzee]

Ahh, so likely to be a member of the Z series. Going by the K700, S700, F700 (Prototype name, I know), and we've had Z500... maybe it'll be called Z700.

[Delphi]

Maybe. SE are a bit upset about leaks on their roadmap and are reviewing the model names. The leak of the P910 has really upset them.

[Memzee]

Yes, I think I can understand why. But, at the same time, it just makes people's mouth water with the prospect of the phone being released.

[gaurav311]

P910 leak was bad. it gave away important strategic detail, and may give competitors time to launch superior targeted solutions in the same timeframe. SE don't deliver many different handsets so strategy is vital to them. T610 was totally unexpected by Nokia, and sent them into a lot of panic (release 7250i, discontinuing 7210 etc). I'd imagine F700 will do the same actually :)

[EldarMurtazin]

Memzee,
Alice = F700 :)

gaurav311,
Nokia dont have any time to develop new product to answer on Alice... it is really so... And of course Nokia has infos about Alice around 6 months, I know it for sure...

[Nilz1]

Someone know when Alice/F700 will be relased then? :confused:
This year, q3 or q4?

[Draak]

To Gauraf

Gauraf wrote

Nokia dont have any time to develop new product to answer on Alice... it is really so... And of course Nokia has infos about Alice around 6 months, I know it for sure

its seems that Nokia has spys every where?

[Dcell]

I think every company tries to gather information about their rivals. So it isn't surprising that Nokia has some information ( and vice versa ).

[-The Andyman-]

do u reckon nokia and SE get ideas from our forum?? or any other brand for that matter :spy: lol

[EldarMurtazin]

-The Andyman-,
Nokia security manager coming here every day :)

[zanoman]

-The Andyman-,
Nokia security manager coming here every day :)


No way.. For real?

Eric

[Memzee]

Interesting.

[dxreaper]

LoL =)... that's interesting.. hehe.. let's not bad mouth Nokia and instead praise them so they will get all big headed and produce worst phone!..

Nokia, I like phones with cute funny design... i dont' care about keypad layout, as long as it looks amazing and unique!... Artistic would be the wrod!

[zanoman]

It would be soo cool if we could have a contest or something, designing a new "Nokia-phone" and Nokia actually took some parts of the design or the whole design for that case and used it on a future model! :) Nokia, please let us here at mobile-review design one together!?!? :)

Eric

[saliquincer]

Z800 is a better name becasue old z700 that cancelled already makes it oppressive!
and another mid-class phone following by T100 or T310 another new phones from SE.
and successor of p900 is too. new model of k700 after all.

[sebset]

-The Andyman-,
Nokia security manager coming here every day :)

Can you block its IP? :D

[EldarMurtazin]

sebset,
for which reason? it is a free country, free world :)
on the other hand i prefer to know which threads are most interesting for them :) and which person :)

[Delphi]

EldarMurtazin,
Quite true. It's always interesting to see what Nokia is asking about as a good insight to what they are developing.

As an answer to Alice from Nokia would you conside the 7160 as a direct comparison - except of course for the display which needs to be bigger ?

[bu_7assooon]

I hope the F700 has the new uiq 3.0

[robo]

For all security managers.:D
Motorola preparing in this year yet successor of V600 - V650(?) with two color screens and mp3 player. Its true.:)

[sebset]

EldarMurtazin,

I found a pic of security manager ;)

http://otherside.junik.lv/pages/images/007b.jpg

[Delphi]

I hope the F700 has the new uiq 3.0


You will not see UIQ 3 on a real handset until 2005 so will not be on the F700

[gaurav311]

sebset, heheh.
it would be silly to put UIQ in the form factor of F700. it will be interesting to see how nokia can cope with the release of both K700 and F700 on the market at key pricepoints like that. K700 already offers more than most Nokias in that price and size range, and F700 is a whole lot more..in some ways it competes with handsets like 7200, and in other ways with 8910. It should really be out this year.

[EldarMurtazin]

Delphi,
I dont think that 7160 could be competite to Alice...people now buying not only design but also features. Polyphonic ringtones, displays is the features which they could check in a shop. In terms of design Nokia havent strategic view on the market, they are planing to launch several handsets in 1920ss style, It is attempt to be different from Samsung, but it isnt good decision. BTW, SE fro last products make something like that, old industrial design, products for 2005 is totally different. And I think that Nokia have to change vision of the market... They couldnt produce a competitive products in low end... BTW, Samsung planing to launc at the end of this year low end phones in Europe (statement from Han), it will be similar to C110 by feature (without IrDa), street price around 60-65 Euro... I dont think that Nokia could competite with such price.

P.S. The biggest problem for NOkia is shortage with up-to-date displays


robo,
successor of v600 is a very big secret :) but i really like this model, slim and elegant, much better than v600 (one of the best phones in this class by the way)

gaurav311,
SE couldnt deliver a big volume of handset, but change price politics for all vendors. It is good for customers :)

[bu_7assooon]

Delphi,
u broght my hopes down!
...I guess your right as uiq 3.0 will be released late 04...
nevertheless I know sonyericsson will impress me with F700 with or without uiq

[McKinley]

EldarMurtazin,
Does this mean that Nokia are going to lose another per cent of market share this year? To me it does look like that or do they have something big going on even with all odd designed mobiles?

Could someone with a lot of knowledge in this thing tell me something about UIQ 3.0 why it is so highly anticipated and unique?
Thanks in advance!

[EldarMurtazin]

McKinley,
probably they loose market share.. too much pressure from Samsung.

[blade]

successor of v600 is a very big secret but i really like this model, slim and elegant, much better than v600 (one of the best phones in this class by the way)
How it can be "very big secret", if you know it?;)
Can you tell more this upcoming V600 successor?
I know it is two color screen, internal antenna, mp3-player, memory card slot.............!!!
Any pictures???

[EldarMurtazin]

blade,
i promise not to disclosure this info :) sorry :) but nokia definitely hasnt any phone in this segment

[nils]

gaurav311,

why is it silly to put UIQ3 in a F700 or something? If you'd looked and read well enough, you should know UIQ3 doesn't need a big screen etc. anymore!

[blade]

blade,
i promise not to disclosure this info :) sorry :) but nokia definitely hasnt any phone in this segment
Damn..............i just have to wait :rotate:
Do you know, when Motorola release info about it?
Thanks anyway :beer:

[gaurav311]

eldar do you mean the UIQ 3g flip V model from moto? If so, I'm sure there will be more models next year from Nokia by the time Moto get around to actually release that :) I do not have much data on Moto roadmap however. Even if they can release all currently announced phones then it would be an achievement - keyword "if"!

nils, UIQ3 is still a smartphone OS, it requires heavier hardware, especially if you want a 3G smartphone. These things will get smaller too, but don't expect miracles just yet.

[bu_7assooon]

McKinley,

The big cool thing about the upgrade from uiq 2.1(p900) to uiq 3.0 is that uiq 3.0 fully support one handed opreration so uiq 3.0 can be implemented into devices with smaller screen than p900 and without using a touchscreen...in other words a direct compatetor to series 60...so hopefully we might se a non touchscreen smartphone from SE.
Also applications made for a touchscreen device with uiq3.0 can be ported to a non-touchscreen device with uiq 3.0 easly as it is said here http://www.uiq.com/uiq3

[McKinley]

bu_7assooon,
Thank you very much for that
:beer:

[EldarMurtazin]

gaurav311
Of course they not launch all models which were anounced before :) too big shortage of some chips on market and demand on triplets... Moto have a very good sales in Europe now...

I dont mean UIQ 3g flip V model, it will be on market but it isnt so interesting as model which I mention. It is top model with extremely good design... I think it will be the best Christmas present for most people with money :) Also, no one (Samsung, Nokia, Siemens) dont have similar product... SE has a same products (in terms of features) for 2Q2005 but in terms of design it is weaker, much weaker...

[Nilz1]

gaurav311
Of course they not launch all models which were anounced before :) too big shortage of some chips on market and demand on triplets... Moto have a very good sales in Europe now...

I dont mean UIQ 3g flip V model, it will be on market but it isnt so interesting as model which I mention. It is top model with extremely good design... I think it will be the best Christmas present for most people with money :) Also, no one (Samsung, Nokia, Siemens) dont have similar product... SE has a same products (in terms of features) for 2Q2005 but in terms of design it is weaker, much weaker...


You really know how to tease :D

[gaurav311]

interesting. only motos i have heard of that i might class as unique would be their next windows handsets (inc mpx220), but you say xmas, so this new one would come later. how does it compare to the nokia's new flagship and alice, does it have slide mechanism as well? I would be amazed to see a handset that actually has even stronger design that those 2. The nokia clams, although clams, have some good design that makes them straight and solid in usage, I cannot think of how you can design better - do you mean materials and size? A1000 E1000 V1000 MPx and there's *another*?! that's even higher spec? that's incredible. it might be suicidal though to just launch so many high investment handsets. Lets hope they price these things sensibly so that someone buys them..:)

[EldarMurtazin]

gaurav311,
it is not so radical, just clam but it has a very good design (all people who saw model said it :) in some way it is classic,materials are good, quality too... it isnt revolution but a very huge step ahead... think about OS (not MS and not propriet OS :)

rotate3 will be present only 2q2005 I think, not earlier... v800 will be on market for one year or even more, it is a very strong product

[gaurav311]

not propriety OS? Did not moto sell their symbian share? I suppose they may still make use of symbian like SE though, it's still surprising considering they went with MS for the mpx range, seems like every company is licencensing every OS these days just to be safe :). considering mpx200 was equivalent of v700, i'd suspect you mean the mpx2x0 is the v800? rotate3 is another i have no info on It's good to see all the companies are bringing out very interesting new products, battle for market share in 2005 will be very interesting to watch, anyone could succeed, and a lot can change, so much going on.

[nils]

gaurav311,
Maybe it will be fit with SavaJe?

[EldarMurtazin]

gaurav311,
Juix :) i think you now this word, it isnt a big secret and you get it quick in search engine


mpx line is mpx line, it isnt v-line

i called 2006 as a great battle for the Europe. the market will be lower than now and competition will be fierce

[Delphi]

nils, Savaje ? If this makes it to market before 2006 I will be amazed. I hear even Vodafone is questioning if Savaje is going to make it to market.

Check out what Eldar is saying its an interesting software platform

[robo]

gaurav311,
Juix :) i think you now this word, it isnt a big secret and you get it quick in search engine


E680 have this OS

[gaurav311]

I never thought too much of Savaje, indeed it will be impressive if they can come onboard pairing their OS to good handsets, certainly their works aren't as well established in smartphone arena as symbian, neither does it have the hype factor of windows-mobile. The fact that they use the xscales along with a small tight java OS + 3g throws an interesting spanner in the works..but really...is this so special? the platform is quite simple and interesting, you never know, if handset makers produce a few amazing handsets based on this, it could take off..long time until 2006 too, who know's what state market will be in then.

[Delphi]

gaurav311, My understanding is that Savaje is really focused on selling to the operators but are lacking interest from any handset vendor (apart from MiTac who have developed a prototype proof of concept). The operators are interested becuase it gives them a lot of control over the OS platform but then without a good handset brand this is not so compelling and by the time it is ready other OS platforms will offer the same capabilities.

[bu_7assooon]

Maybe a series 60/uiq? or maybe even palm?

[gaurav311]

a linux/java combination can be interesting...although in the consumer space linux has never really done well. market is almost overpopulated already with likes of symbian, windows ce, variations of those and other propriety systems. great thing about linux is how open it is and it could really catch on with programmers...but how it can stand up to huge competition from symbian/microsoft is anyone's guess.. moto seems to be licensing out a lot of platforms lately (well, all of them!), one one hand it's playing safe, on the other hand it can be looked on as a confused marketing strategy. surely so much dependence on external licensing is going to reduce margins.

i suppose it is best to wait and see how the actual handsets/ui's based on juix turn out...i've tried many protos and may have come across it without knowing it. E680 never really struck me as Juix, looks like a cut down mini UIQ...surely with the designer nokias and other trendier handsets on the market this couldn't sell much at all? it seems to be nowhere - there's smaller faster trendier handsets on one side, and there are more powerful smartphones with keyboards on the other. if the upcoming moto impressed eldar (who has held so many phones) then im sure it will be a blast though.

[McKinley]

gaurav311,
That is one reason why Linux never will be able to grow much larger than it is today.
Linux is to open and companies are making their own Linux based OS which sometimes works abit different to other companies with Linux based OS. Windows will always be the dominant OS and nothing is going to change on that for a very long time.

[gaurav311]

you never know, it could start dominating in mobiles as well. the upcoming windows motos look very good. if they start combining elements from windows like cleartype, direct x, office, wma/wmv more and more, it becomes very attractive, and flexible too.

[bu_7assooon]

btw what happen to eldar's review/news about upcomming phones

[mr.fun]

The big problem is that Motorola is supporting R&D development across 3 different smartphone platforms. Threee OSs with three UIs - costs $.

[gaurav311]

he seems to have delayed that till monday. he was out partying last night, and couldn't finish the article this weekend :)

[EldarMurtazin]

gaurav311,
even more... too much discussion with Nokia right now, they arent responsible for any of own products (even anounced) and frightened about this article :)

[gaurav311]

no reason to be frightened really, the competition has played most of its cards, and nokia should be confident and step out with their new line soon. what i can imagine may worry them is certain features the handsets lack or not as good (like the fact they have kept the 128x128 screens on most candy bars and weirdness/size of clams) as competition, but it will have to all come out sooner or later :) design wise some of these handsets are good and I am not sure why they are not releasing official photos to press. they are letting interested parties become more and more familiar with OTHER makers handsets (just look at the attention moto and samsung are getting right now). They need to stop pretending that 6230 will let them do well until christmas...even now there are better handsets already coming onto market. I heard some info (this one not totally reliable) that they have *cancelled* the lower end small 8220 phone and are now just keeping the metal alloy one as flagship, and that a lot of that tech is now just going into the new 6 series releases. Since 8220 was so similar to 6260, and 3g line launching also sepereately to all this, it may make sense. Another source says it could mean that they move the GSM alloy down to 8800 and call the top clam 8900 or 8700 (since it is still too big to be perfect) or even segment it as a videocalling 8950 or 8650. The info I get on naming from sources is confusing, it really seems as if the handsets are complete but they are still deciding target markets..their numbering history doesn't help them either. . as for the series 60 (on the gsms) they need to stick that in smaller phones or leave it in the clams only, since the 6600 successor doesn't look like it's going to do too well now, and a lot of people do not like the look of 7610 (too big, flat face).

anyway, look forward to your article tommorow :)

[EldarMurtazin]

gaurav311,
i couldnt finish article right now, some things need to be check, i wait for answers from my Nokia insiders... as soon as i receive this answers i put article

[zanoman]

Soon? We want to read more interesting confirmed rumours.. :)


Eric

[LLR]

confirmed rumours
:spy: :lol: :up:

Yeah, we all want to know about confirmed rumours.

[gsm]

This Sony Ericsson
"Alice" will be revealed next month.

[zlon]

gsm,
Which month is next?? Did you really mean July?

[bu_7assooon]

gsm,
NEXT MONTH??
Is your source good?
any specs??

[gsm]

Which month is next?? Did you really mean July?

zlon,
Yes, i mean July.


NEXT MONTH??
Is your source good?
any specs??

bu_7assooon,
Quite reliable sources.

:-/

[bobby]

all right, then. Looking forward..........

[mrMobile]

We are living in interesting time seeing latest mobile technology. More competition is more better for us consumers. This means new technology will come out soon and price will go down. I cant wait for christmas and next year, we will probably see new interesting handsets.