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There is a thread "Report about the loudest speakerphone". But it seems that many people are discussing about the headphone sound too. So i made this tread. Discuss it here. I think the best music phone sounds in headset is-
1)N91
2)N81
3)all samsung o&s enabled amplified phone.
4)Moto e2
5)nokia xpress music
6)walkman.
Now post your own list prefereed by yourself. And plead explain why is better.
Best sound in headphones goes to Samsung U700 and F500
second best Moto ROKR E2
3rd W950i
4th N91
Who said that i'am good with Headset comparison but i've to give my opinion because its hot thread imo, nice job Ruhul, i'll give my opinion about the phones that i've already tested but its not accurate imo, Using the headset that comes with the package i think the best one is N91 (didn't test the N81 yet), the w950 is cool but the 91 is far away better(thanks to the DSP which doing great job unlike 5700).
I've had a great music experiment too with the SAMSUNG f300 , great bass and ULTRA loud, i liked the U600 too but f300 is much better,
Sony Ericsson w950 is good but its not a big hit compared to the other walkmans, actualy i'am waiting for the w960, and the rumored iPhone competitor (Maria).
A friend of mine said that N81 is close to N91 though the 91 is still a little bit better, i am not responsible of his thought so i am not sure, N81 is already out in DUBAI so i'll get in the next two weeks and i'll make a report in both thread (Loud speakers and the headset).
DevilsRejection
01-11-2007, 15:10
who uses the shitty headphones that come in the box? you can afford a 400+ euro phone, but can't buy a $40 pair of decent headphones?
Yes,I know that Samsung phones are very loud , because of the samsung DSP which is giving loudness, but i read that the nokia's DSP gives the sound quality ,exactly what i want, not loudness.
Yes,I know that Samsung phones are very loud , because of the samsung DSP which is giving loudness, but i read that the nokia's DSP gives the sound quality ,exactly what i want, not loudness.
Try it yourself, dont let someone else judge for you.
F500 and U700 takes my votes. the best ive ever heard on any mobilephone today
who uses the shitty headphones that come in the box? you can afford a 400+ euro phone, but can't buy a $40 pair of decent headphones?
There are rules that we should follow for every comparison because the goal is to find which is the BEST phone than can give you the best music experiment and not the best phone+another headset, we need to know the best phone in sound quality with the headset that come in the package and not another headset that you can find in the stores because not all the people will do that, for example: i can't say you will've great music experiment when you buy w950+HPM 83 it doesn't make sense because then people should buy MPH 83 every time they need to buy w950 to be able to have that great music experiment, otherwise every body know that buying better headset will improve sound quality.
t_makela
01-11-2007, 17:29
I agree with DevilsRejection in this one. If you want to compare the sound quality between two devices, you should keep the testing setup the same (same mp3, same headset, eg.) between the tests, if you want the test to be anywhere near valid. No need to compare the phone+bundled headset because anyone whos interested in good music quality, will use a better headset.
There are rules that we should follow for every comparison because the goal is to find which is the BEST phone than can give you the best music experiment and not the best phone+another headset, we need to know the best phone in sound quality with the headset that come in the package
By doing the test this way, the problem is that the sound quality using the bundled headset would depend on both the phone and the headset. If you want compare soundquality of a bunch of phones this way, the phones with above average in-box headsets will get better ratings than they should have and the list won't be accurate anymore.
Yes,I know that Samsung phones are very loud , because of the samsung DSP which is giving loudness, but i read that the nokia's DSP gives the sound quality ,exactly what i want, not loudness.
Samsungs dont have DSP.Only F300, F500, U600, U700 and G600 have an amplifier and no DSP.
I tried the N91 and for me its the best, followed by K810i modded, N76, W850i and 5700 but thats only my opinion.
I have tried F500 and N91 using the same headphones, F500 kills N91.
N91 is number one for me. the phone also have a very flexible equalizer that u can tweak unlike the one on w950i. then E2 goes on my second list.
Walkman's are getting worse day by day.
Walkman's are getting worse day by day.
They arent really getting worse but no improvement has been made from walkman V1 to v3 apart from visual.
They arent really getting worse but no improvement has been made from walkman V1 to v3 apart from visual.
EXACTLY!, when i compare w800 to w910 (headset) i can notice only 10-20% improvment.
EXACTLY!, when i compare w800 to w910 (headset) i can notice only 10-20% improvment.
:( :( :(
Only??? do you know how much 10-20% is??
Crumcon, If i don't know how much 10-20% is, i won't give my opinion, if you want more detals about the improvment so here it is:
The w910 become a lil bit louder, the bass has no big different as both uses Megabass but the more sound volume in w800 the more noise/distortion you will get, while in w910(which is slightly louder) you won't hear noise most of the time INSPITE of the device is louder than w800.
thats the only improvment.
has anyone here used either the g600 or the 5610 and if so, ow do they measure up.
ron.jeremy
03-11-2007, 00:10
EXACTLY!, when i compare w800 to w910 (headset) i can notice only 10-20% improvment.
Ok, but seriously, i think Walkman devices gives a solid music experience out of the box.
And beeing a owner of currently 7 Walkman devices, i can say they've improved, since W800i.
I'm not saying it's the best, or saying they can't improve certain areas, but all in all, they give a solid music experience.
I think there's a lot of non RL experience in here, but alot of hearsay - try it out for yourself, each and everyone has different taste imo.
:D
Samsung has tremendous sound quality.
Ruhul,why?They have only decent sound quality,because of the good Samsung audio circuits(also used in the iPod range(incl.iPod Touch),as well as iPhone) and 'icePower' amps.N91 is still the best,and second place goes to Motorola E2(very good sound quality,wonderful effects also,there is one that is much better than Stereo Widening).Then come the Samsung phones.
I use Sennheiser PX100(have bought many of them,absolute best in their class) and UE triple.fi 10 Pro(not even a week) for outdoor listening.UE's are quite good,I must admit.They are my first IEMs and I'm very pleased,the only problem is I am not accustomed yet.Not that they are very uncomfortable,but still its a different thing,you know. :D
I haven't tried N81 yet,though it should be on par with E2 or even better(though weaker in terms of both sound quality and power compared to N91)
Offcourse, n91 is better. And n81 is not the successor of n91. The successor will come later.
playback quality is subjective in the sense that we have our own preference... to find out whats best is through technical datas on frequency responce such as ones showed in n81 review by M-R and as well as few revies in gsm-arena...
by preference, the best for me is n91 followd by iphone then k850, w850, and w950 (default EQ, using shure e2)
Samsung F500 and U700 kick N91's ass
Offcourse, n91 is better. And n81 is not the successor of n91. The successor will come later.
Yeah,I know.I'm waiting for it as it will be my next phone. :jump:
Knights,why do you think W850 has good sound quality?In fact,its one of the worse music phones out there :confused:
I would give N81/N82 third place(or even second).Btw,it looks like 5610 has good audio quality,too.Maybe better than W950i's(which I have and I must admit that its a bad choice because of the low volume level AND not that good sound quality.
Samsung F500 and U700 kick N91's ass
Yeah right.Dream on. :rollseyes:
Yeah right.Dream on. :rollseyes:
no, you dream on :lol:
it is a fact that F500 and U700 produces the best sound quality through headphones. only fanboys deny facts like this. a pity to behonest :D
Crumcon by RMAA test n91 wins by alot... and so by users comments.
Crumcon by RMAA test n91 wins by alot... and so by users comments.
which buyers? don't tell me Sean Paul and many other active Nokia fanboys in many forums :lol:
Crumcon, where the hell have you been when almost everybody (except some smart(dumb)asses which picked w950 ) picked n91 as the phone which has the bes sound quality through headsets?
U600 was even by their owners number 2!
So, please don`t laugh at others when you don`t have strong evidences.
Crumcon(except some smart(dumb)asses which picked w950 )
Lol I have it too :P
It was my birthday present :rotate:
Btw,may somebody post the RMAA results of N91?I haven't seen such info nowhere. :spy:
:D
I didn`t mean in that way, no offence.
I meant that some people said that w950 has the best sound quality through headphones in the market, which really isn`t true.
:D
I didn`t mean in that way, no offence.
I meant that some people said that w950 has the best sound quality through headphones in the market, which really isn`t true.
I still dont see anyone praising W950 has the best sound quality through the headphone. Must be your imagination.
but i do agree W950 and many Walkman phones are the best out-of-the-box music phones, because of the high quality included headphones.
:D
I didn`t mean in that way, no offence.
Yeah,I know mate :D
but i do agree W950 and many Walkman phones are the best out-of-the-box music phones, because of the high quality included headphones.
Exactly the reason why my mom got that one(though she knows a little about phones :D ,once upon a time she has used Walkman casette players,so its all about the brand reputation,you know :D )
The only thing I(still) like about this phone is its size.
So,after all,may somebody post the RMAA data of N91? :rotate:
its in the report about loudest...
nokia n91 got the highest ranking in quality and the only one that got excellent in parts of the test.
Link,please.I haven't found something like that yet. :spy:
Domo Kun
04-11-2007, 18:49
Is the Xpress music (5310 mainly) based on S40 better than WM?
BrightSpark
04-11-2007, 19:25
And think well before calling a trusted member as fanboy
some(but not all) "trusted" members are fanboys. they only required 1 mod to vote for them. they don't really mean much.
some "trusted" members are fanboys. they only required 1 mod to vote for them. they don't really mean much.
That's gotta hurt :lol:
Thanks B-spark
koRngear
04-11-2007, 20:15
N91 has the best audio quality through headphones. Mobile-review, GSM arena etc has very firm support for it.
This thread is also like defending the best MP3 phone from many others.
W810, W850 etc have very good soundquality. So to say bout iRiver, Zune etc.
But N91 reproduces the sound BEST, it is very bassy, I can listen to any bitrated music with louder volume.
Thread now tidied up, NO name calling please, and BTW it's true that TM's can be approved with just 1 nomination, however only ONE mod vote against a potential TM rules them out completely so by that token, TM's are approved by everybody :D
N91 has the best audio quality through headphones. Mobile-review, GSM arena etc has very firm support for it.
I think so too.But all I've found so far regarding N91's sound quality is SUBJECTIVE.If anybody knows where RMAA results are posted,please post a link here.They'll be very helpful as we will be able to compare N91,some dedicated players and N91's successor(when its out) more objectively. :)
SuccessCre8or
04-11-2007, 22:07
:lol:
1)N91
2)N81
3)all samsung o&s enabled amplified phone.
4)Moto e2
5)nokia xpress music
6)walkman.
:lol: xpress music phones above walkmEn :rotate:.....
not commenting here....tired!!
walkmEn
In fact,not walkmEn,but Walkmans.Thats because you don't refer to some walking men,but to a brand.You should remember that brand names are just a combination of symbols not connected to the meaning of the word itself or parts of it in the common use.(and thus,not connected to the rules applied in special cases like that)
varsamakos
04-11-2007, 22:42
:lol:
:lol: xpress music phones above walkmEn :rotate:.....
What is so funny ?
I think XPRESS MUSIC SOUNDS BETTER THAN WALKMANS. Thats why i kept it above walkman. Why you are so ....Tired.
Sound quality wise xm is equall or better than walkman. But price wise xm is miles better than walkman IMHO.
overflowingenergie
05-11-2007, 12:19
how bout n73 me vs walkman, in the same headphone? say, ksc75, or px100, or hd650, or e2, or wathever? is it better? which one the best? please answer...thx
wickedass
05-11-2007, 15:27
as per my limited experience with phones N91 sure whoops W950's ass right off the floor when it comes to headphone sound quality.
The W950 has very good sound quality...but it definitely lacks in loudness. With the supplied in-ears, this is acceptable, but as soon as you use normal earphones that don't shut out background noise as much, it becomes a problem in louder surroundings like busy streets.
Hmmm...you know it because you have it.I have it too and I must admit that it has good sound,but the bass isn't that low as N91's.Also,I'll confess,W950i loses on the "transparency" issue - its somehow veiled in the mids and mostly in the heights.These things are obvious only on direct comparison and most people will be happy with W950i's quality.Its not bad at all,just not the best.I think the low power issue affects sound quality - the bass mainly,but still,you won't hear some of the details of the music if the volume isn't high enough(especially during outdoor listening).In fact,anybody'll live with it.Maybe not everybody will live with the touch interface,because its not made for fingers-only.I use the tip of my nail(of the little finger) to navigate when fingers can't do it.
I guess nokia's n91 successor will be a big competetor to maria.
Maria will be a competitor to N91's successor.And Maria will be a capable competitor ONLY if it has hi-class DSP processor and DAC and nearly perfect analog circuts.I expect that,in fact.Also, I expect Maria to have active noise-canceling.
icaka
dont expect too much.... look at w960...
Yeah I know but W960i is just a rehash in order to use that time to develop Maria.And IF its based on the P5i's platform,it should be quite good actually.(except the special audio circuits,DSP and DAC,because they are one of a kind for SE,but the rest of the phone should be good)
However,I can't be 100% sure if SE will be using a DSP and etc.
Primarily,I'm waiting for N91's successor as it is my favourite,and secondarily,I'll see what the W980i will be.Though even if its quite good,it will sell for higher price than N91's successor,IMHO.
I agree, W960 is just a filler, but a high end one. It's main task is to entertain SE lovers till the real deal hits the store.
W960 is just a filler
i dont think so... how can a filler be that expensive? i can also remmber SE calling it a music flagship for 2007... anyway, my point is just "not to expect much"... If it turns out to be good and better than the best we have now, then lets all rejoice...
I don't think maria will have any breakthrough in term of sound quality.
Based on what exactly? We know pretty much nothing about Maria...
Based on what exactly? We know pretty much nothing about Maria...
Depends on which Maria you're talking about :lol:
SuccessCre8or
07-11-2007, 18:14
In fact,not walkmEn,but Walkmans.Thats because you don't refer to some walking men,but to a brand.You should remember that brand names are just a combination of symbols not connected to the meaning of the word itself or parts of it in the common use.(and thus,not connected to the rules applied in special cases like that)
actually I found in "Oxford dictionary" that both Walkmans & Walkmen are true plurals for tha Walkman trade mark :)
Seriously?Then the dictionary is wrong.
Does anybody own a 5610 here?
**^ramintop^**
09-11-2007, 13:14
Ruhul,rumors has it that the phone will have a dedicated audio chip! :)
Actualy after the 5700, i don't care whether the handset sports the special audio chips or not!, actually i can hardley notice the different(EXCEPT for n91), i am looking forward for the n81 and w960.
Both 5310 and 5610 have a dedicated audio chip
according to elders review the i450's audio quality seems to be excellent, so that too deserves a part in this discussion.
Look at the RMAA results and see if its excellent. http://forum2.mobile-review.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
i always wonder what brand produces te n91 music chip.
its the highests i have seen in a phone.. even highest than the iphone
Jo,I think it is Harman Kardon but I'm not 100% sure.Here they are mentioning this brand:http://allo.kulichki.com/or/2006/sonyericsson-w950i_nokia-n91.htm
i am looking forward for the n81 and w960.
playdead and eldar confirmed that n81 has better sonic experince....
Both 5310 and 5610 have a dedicated audio chip
n81 is by far better than 5310, and yes n81 is not advertized with that dedicated audio chip...
It's confirmed that Samsung i450 has better sound quality compared to N81. But i think it's because N81 is not N91's true successor.
But could anyone quote the part where Eldar says i450 is better than N91 in sound quality? cause it's pretty hard to believe any other phone could beat N91 in sound quality.
difenbaker
11-11-2007, 07:19
Now post your own list prefereed by yourself. And plead explain why is better.
mmmm... imho, any phone that's supposedly "music oriented" and yet doesn't have a built-in 3.5mm jack, is totally disqualified. I mean, why stick to the headphones that the phone maker gives you? When there are hundreds out there with better sound, better ergonomics, more durable, and is more comfortable.
so I'd probably list down the N91, N95, N81, 5610, 5310.. but would not include any of the walkmans.
just my 2 cents.
cheers!
t's confirmed that Samsung i450 has better sound quality compared to N81. But i think it's because N81 is not N91's true successor.
But could anyone quote the part where Eldar says i450 is better than N91 in sound quality? cause it's pretty hard to believe any other phone could beat N91 in sound quality.
the problem is eldar never posted RMAA datas in the review, means its all subjective matter...
eldar do mention that its better than n91 in music department but not sound quality...
Hope somebody will post audio test datas to clear the confusion... Its good to hear that samsung is a serious competitor in quality now... SE, when?
n81 is by far better than 5310, and yes n81 is not advertized with that dedicated audio chip...
Thx for clearing that.
Yeah its nice to hear that something is becoming a serious competitor in both music and cam department with its G600 and G800.Se isnt improving their walkmans' sound quality and moto is.... still lagging behind as usual
Just a little update: N95 8gb RMAA results added.
i450's overall results:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2084/clipboard01nz8.jpg
N81's overall results:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3508/clipboard04sf3.jpg
N95 8gb's overall results:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3899/clipboard01ca9.jpg
Неравномерность АЧХ (от 40 Гц до 15 кГц), дБ: means Frequency response (from 40 Hz to 15 kHz), dB:
Уровень шума, дБ (А): means Noise level, dB (A):
Динамический диапазон, дБ (А): means Dynamic range, dB (A):
Гармонические искажения, %: means THD, %:
Интермодуляционные искажения + шум, %: means IMD, %:
Взаимопроникновение каналов, дБ: means Stereo crosstalk, dB:
Интермодуляции на 10 кГц, %: means Intermodulation at 10 kHz, %:
i450's frequency response:
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/231/clipboard02wh1.jpg
N81's frequency response:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1082/clipboard05gu5.jpg
N95 8gb's frequency response:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2784/clipboard02km7.jpg
N95 8gb is not a bad performer, but not very good too. It has a lower bass response, but that not a big deal. It can be adjusted by the EQ. But things like dynamic range, noise level, IMD and stereo crosstalk spoil the sound. :(
thanks Icaka (Icaka?? is that a new Apple product?)
anyway, i was right N91 is still the better music phone when it comes to sound quality
thanks Icaka (Icaka?? is that a new Apple product?)
Its just a nick,call me Chris.Nice joke,btw. :)
anyway, i was right N91 is still the better music phone when it comes to sound quality
Everybody knows that already.
icaka
thanks for the audio test datas....
np,knights. ;)
Btw,I think i450 uses the same DSP and analog audio-circuit found in iPhone.Samsung provides all the DSPs and audio-circuits for Apple.Though I'm not sure about the DAC.iPhone uses Wolfson DAC(don't know the model).Maybe i450 uses the same,because they both have similar RMAA results. :confused:
With the release of OMAP2430 devices,we'll see better sounding Nokia phones.There is difference in sound quality between OMAP2430 and OMAP3 Series too, even without additional upgrades, due to different OMAP2430 and OMAP3 Series companion chips - TWL4030(OMAP2430) and TWL5030(OMAP3 Series).
Maybe i450 uses the same,because they both have similar RMAA results.
i think its only a coincidence since the algorithm also plays big role in playback quality...
May be,as long as we don't have any solid information,we can't say for sure. :-/
.... and here are N91's RMAA test results:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-5700-rmaa-n91-en.shtml
Frequency response (from 40 Hz to 15 kHz), dB:
+0.68, -0.83
Noise level, dB (A):
-87.2
Dynamic range, dB (A):
86.3
THD, %:
0.0097
IMD, %:
0.044
Stereo crosstalk, dB:
-86.3
Intermodulation at 10 kHz, %:
0.020
I don't know why eldar said the i450 produces better audio quality, it's very obvious that N91's results are way better than both the i450 and the N81.
I don't know why eldar said the i450 produces better audio quality, it's very obvious that N91's results are way better than both the i450 and the N81.
Like i said before, Eldar says i450 is better than N91 in music department. But music department has a very meaning. maybe he want to say that i450 has better features as a msuic-phone compared to N91: like better music player, better EQ etc etc
Thanks,sms. :)
Thats what we're talking about. :D
Btw,have you seen W900i and W950i RMAA results somewhere?It would be interesting to compare N81,i450,W900i and W950.
I don't think Eldar said N81/i450 have better sound quality,somebody misunderstood his words in the i450's review.
Btw,have you seen W900i and W950i RMAA results somewhere?
I don't know about these two old models, but here are the results of the current TOP of the walkman line, the w910, look how miserable and pathetic these numbers are for a music phone:
Неравномерность АЧХ (от 40 Гц до 15 кГц), дБ: +4.89, -2.06
Уровень шума, дБ (А): -33.2
Динамический диапазон, дБ (А): 81.7
Гармонические искажения, %: 0.129
Интермодуляционные искажения + шум, %: 29.514
Взаимопроникновение каналов, дБ: -89.5
Интермодуляции на 10 кГц, %: -1.#QO
these numbers are taken from the w910 review in the russian side (that will be translated soon hopefully), in that same review, eldar states that the LOW-END nokia 5310XM has better sound quality than the BEST walkman phone w910! tut tut SE!
But music department has a very meaning. maybe he want to say that i450 has better features as a msuic-phone compared to N91: like better music player, better EQ etc etc
thats what i mean....
W950i RMAA results somewhere?
we already know that w960 performs worse than n81 and we already know w960 and w950 uses same platform, i think itll be worser... but yes, it would be interesting to have those RMAA datas for us to compare....
eldar states that the LOW-END nokia 5310XM has better sound quality than the BEST walkman phone w910! tut tut SE!
samsung and moto are catching up.....when will SE be serious about quality?
Well,W910i is crap.But it isn't the Walkman with best sound quality.W950i/W960i are better,W960i is louder than W950i.And don't forget W900i is made by SE Japan. ;)
Btw,Motorola E2 RMAA results:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5404/clipboard01jz6.jpg
I'm looking for N95/N95 8gb RMAA results.
mariokarter
11-11-2007, 19:17
1) iPhone
2) everything else
Originally Posted by sms
eldar states that the LOW-END nokia 5310XM has better sound quality than the BEST walkman phone w910! tut tut SE!
Since when is W910 considered as the best Walkman? Dont tell me its the best Walkman just because it's best featured???
Sound quality define the name ''Walkman'' not the non-releated music features.
To date W900 and W950 hold the title as the best Walkman phones, until W960 arrives
1) iPhone
2) everything else
according to users and RMAA.. no.
really for comments like this.. its that sometimes you get the urge to bash the iphone.
Jo, iPhone is still one of the best when talking about sound quality.Look at the E2's RMAA results,it does even better than N91 in some specs.
I'll find iPhone's results and post them too.
overall n91 got the highest... it doesn't even got a BAD sign.. E2 does get one in because the mayor tweak of the sound.
icaka
N95 normal RMAA results posted form VIP section
Frequency response (from 40 Hz to 15 kHz), dB: +0.84, -3.32 Bad
Noise level, dB (A): -74.4
Dynamic range, dB (A): 74.2 Average
Total Harmonic Distortion, %: 0.039 Good
Intermodulation distortion + noise, %: 0.214 Average
Stereo crosstalk, dB: -75.0 Good
Intermodulation at 10 kHz, %: 2.649 Bad
I couldn't find the RMAA results of iPhone,but I found these of the iPod Touch.(in the iPod Touch Music Department Review in the Russian forum)I think both device use the same audio hardware.
So here we go:
Overall:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2345/clipboard01fi8.jpg
Frequency Response:
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7223/clipboard02ik6.jpg
Its not the best,but not total crap too.
Thanks,@@. :)
Btw,N95's results are really bad. :(
I thought N95 was on par with lets say W810i. :(
Jo,E2 results are without ANY tweaking,out of the box.
EDIT: Eldar did say he found i450 better than N91 in terms of sound quality.My bad.
As far as music quality is concerned, this smartphone is in fact the best thing you can get hold of these days. In my opinion, when put up against the Nokia N91, the Samsung i450 comes out on top in this battle of music departments. The same goes for the Samsung i450 vs Apple iPhone derby.
i450 has its drawbacks - no Stereo Widening,only 10 volume bars,not so much bells and whistles as the Walkman and Xpress Music ranges.And Eldar said that,so it would be a controversy if the music department thing is all about software and etc.,because i450 is inferior there.So he meant the sound quality.But we have RMAA results,so everything is obvious.
icaka you posted RMAA of the i450 in this forum research up is show that i450 in on par with n81(certainly better) but not better than the n91.
btw: eldar stopped being a trusted source when they said w950 was a better music phone than the n91.
i think in stereo crosswalk? the E2 gets a bad score... that usually happen where there is a boost or "tweak" in low frenquencies.
i450 is better than N81,and is cheaper also.
N91 is better than i450,but not much.Considering i450's price,specs(incl.software,excl. sound effects) and dimensions its the better choice overall.Of course,N91 still has 4GB/8GB storage space,metal housing and nice sales package.
I don't mean to defend Eldar or something,W950 has worse sound quality,no 3.5mm jack and lower power,but its the better choice overall.Faster music transfer,nice bundled headphones,dimensions(A LOT better),Flash drive instead of HDD,battery life and etc.You know pros already.
btw: eldar stopped being a trusted source
Well,thats why I said there were RMAA results. :)
About the E2 - I've read it can't be modded because its on different platform,not the same as E398/E1.And there wasn't written anywhere that it is modded.Of course,there is no guarantee of that.But noise level and dynamic range can't be upgraded through software,because the phone has already reached its hardware limits on these parameters.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n81_8gb-review-180p5.php
It's completely different from the one from mobile-review :spy:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n81_8gb-review-180p5.php
It's completely different from the one from mobile-review :spy:
Yeah,I mentioned that too.Looks like GSM Arena have better audio equipment.But the tendencies are the same,what is better @M-R is better @GSM Arena too.Just totally different results on dynamic range,but I think GSM Arena are closer.
**^ramintop^**
11-11-2007, 22:16
Jo,he said n91 had much better sonic experience,but as a music phone,considering everything,the w950 won,and wasn't this comparison done before in newmobile.com and still the w950 won?!
**^ramintop^** still the most important thing in a music phone is audio quality and what this thread is about.
Audio quality is one of the most important things,but not the most important.A fair trade-off - a little bit of audio quality for much better other specs is better than a little bit better quality and much worse other specs.Thats because phones are intended to be used OUTDOORS,where that little bit of sound quality won't be noticeable AT ALL.
I hope you understand now. :)
The most important question should be:
Would you even hear a significant boost in sound quality when you listening music from N91 and W950 using the same headphones?
Keep in mind our ears arent as advanced as the sound equipment test to register the even the slightly details :)
Would you even hear a significant boost in sound quality when you listening music from N91 and W950 using the same headphones?
Keep in mind our ears arent as advanced as the sound equipment test to register the even the slightly details :)
Yeah,you're absolutely right about the sound quality,and the headphones are important,too.W950i may not be on par with N91 but it isn't too far behind.BUT(and thats a big BUT) you'll hear significant difference in power.N91 is much louder and while the lack of power of W950i isn't crucial while listening to IEMs or earbuds,over-the-head headphones and all other larger-type ones will suffer a lot.And btw,even 2-3 db of dynamic range/noise level/power are a noticeable difference which everyone will hear."db" is a logarithmic value,not linear,you know. :)
:lol:
:lol: xpress music phones above walkmEn :rotate:.....
not commenting here....tired!!
yes, nokia XM phone sound better than all walkmans, if you don't have anything to backup your claim, I have:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sonyericsson-w910-en.shtml
This, ridiculous it may sound, though, is getting to be pretty much true of all Walkman-branded phones. Probably, after spotting the Walkman logo, some will imagine its sound-related marvels, but sadly these are only dreams and groundless thoughts. On every single blind test, the Sony Ericsson’s product ended up behind the Ultra Music and the XPressMusic solutions.
While it made sense when the line-up had no real competition, with the development of Ultra Music from Samsung and Nokia’s XpressMusic, Walkman starts getting a run for its money. When we compared the sound quality delivered by the W910i with the Nokia 5310 and the Samsung i450, it was clearly behind both of them. Its bass level is less decent than that found on other solutions, the same goes for its top volume settings, and the equalizers found on the Nokia’s phone have greater impact on what you actually hear. It turns out that the Sony Ericsson’s product trumps them only with its software, whereas it comes short on the hardware front. Furthermore, those looking for superior sonic experience will have to look elsewhere – this flagship is definitely not for them.
OMG that really put shame on Walkman branded phones and to those who love them.
SonyLover
13-11-2007, 08:52
yes, nokia XM phone sound better than all walkmans, if you don't have anything to backup your claim, I have:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sonyericsson-w910-en.shtml
So, you like quoting MR reviews? Can I play too? :p
Sound quality is the most subjective parameter that raises most hardened arguments. In Sony Ericsson W950i sound quality is better than in Walkman series phones, and I have no idea how to explain it. The sound was compared with the help of same files and headphones against SE P990i, and it was just better, more saturated. The difference is not critical, but it is noticeable. The manufacturer is not commenting weather changes were made in W950i’s construction in order to improve the sound quality. Judging by our experience, they were after all. The playback quality of this model can be compared with best mp3 players.
Source: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/sonyericsson-w950-en.shtml
The external speaker as well as the stereo headset provides a nice listening experience – nothing less than one would expect from a Walkman phone. The speaker manages to sound very mild and pleasant although lacking substantial bass element. The headphones don’t have that problem at all and sounded more than satisfying.
Source: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_w950-review-111p4.php
So, Nokia XM phone or whatever don't sound better than ALL Walkmans - not W950 and probably W960. As you can read from Eldar's review, "Sound quality is the most subjective parameter that raises most hardened arguments". And, there're other aspects that are important on a music phone, like a good looking, easy interfase :)
And I'm pretty sure Walkman phones were, are and will be the best selling music phones for quite some time. Not everyone is that picky over outstanding sound quality (thank god) ;)
Why quote 1 years old review? Both w950 and w960 jagged behind n81 and i450. It's the time to wait for n91's successor.
Great - so IF the W950 is able to play a sound file without crashing (and believe me, that's not a given by any means), it sounds great. But only if you're not in a moderately loud surrounding, because otherwise you won't hear much at all...
SonyLover, these two reviews are about two years old, things change you know, back then there were no Xpress music or Samsung Ultra, back then SE was the music market dominator. but recently it have lost ground in music department (just like the other departments too), and the RMAA tests posted obove prove that.
sms
dont take him too seriously; you'll just have headaches....
Would you even hear a significant boost in sound quality when you listening music from N91 and W950 using the same headphones?
of course, YES.... you can tell dif even with earbud and earcup types of headphones, how much more with in-ear ones....
ogami_ito
13-11-2007, 13:44
So...um...sort of on topic but not completely...how does the Nokia 5700 stack up...subjectively I mean? Is it loud? Does it sound good?
SonyLover
13-11-2007, 17:41
back then SE was the music market dominator. but recently it have lost ground in music department (just like the other departments too), and the RMAA tests posted obove prove that.
Maybe in the quality department, but not in the sales department. Both W910 and K850 are among the top 3 sellers in the UK right now (K850 is #1), and they're selling very good in Europe and some parts of Asia :)
SonyLover, what kind of non-reply was that?
Nobody in this thread is interested in their sales...
:eyes:
BrightSpark
13-11-2007, 17:52
Maybe in the quality department, but not in the sales department. Both W910 and K850 are among the top 3 sellers in the UK right now (K850 is #1), and they're selling very good in Europe and some parts of Asia :)
so are britney spears records.
SonyLover
13-11-2007, 17:58
so are britney spears records.
Good for her. People are the ultimate judges ;)
t_makela
13-11-2007, 18:25
Maybe in the quality department, but not in the sales department.
Even though walkmans are selling well today doesn't mean that they will do it in say next year. The big selling power of walkmans is based on the brand value that people associate with walkmans. Not keeping the sound quality in par with the competition (or better) will hurt the walkman brand in a long run. This won't happen instantly because people don't change their opinions fast so SE still has time to make better walkmans. I just don't understand why SE doesn't invest more time/money/research in musicphones, because atm they have the best brand in it. It seems stupid to throw away the big lead in that market segment just to get small timeframe profits.
SonyLover
13-11-2007, 18:32
This won't happen instantly because people don't change their opinions fast so SE still has time to make better walkmans. I just don't understand why SE doesn't invest more time/money/research in musicphones, because atm they have the best brand in it.
I kinda disagree with you. Maybe they're behind in the sound quality department, but, in the overall music department, SE is using new, cool stuff for their new Walkman phones (Shake Feature, SensMe, Walkman Player 3.0, new media manager and others) :)
ron.jeremy
13-11-2007, 20:01
Even though walkmans are selling well today doesn't mean that they will do it in say next year. The big selling power of walkmans is based on the brand value that people associate with walkmans. Not keeping the sound quality in par with the competition (or better) will hurt the walkman brand in a long run. This won't happen instantly because people don't change their opinions fast so SE still has time to make better walkmans. I just don't understand why SE doesn't invest more time/money/research in musicphones, because atm they have the best brand in it. It seems stupid to throw away the big lead in that market segment just to get small timeframe profits.
My thoughts exactly!
:)
They have the best sounding Mp3 players (Sony) in the marked, and a lot of know how, why not use it to the best for us consumers.
Eventually they'll be caught up, a brand alone can't be enough in the long race, they need to steep up to the challenge from Nokia and Samsung, and fast imo, same with cybershot, to little to late imo.
I kinda disagree with you. Maybe they're behind in the sound quality department, but, in the overall music department, SE is using new, cool stuff for their new Walkman phones (Shake Feature, SensMe, Walkman Player 3.0, new media manager and others)
That's just for kids man, just bs imo.
They've nice SW, but not enough or good enough hardware imo, they've not done enough lately.
BrightSpark
13-11-2007, 22:18
Good for her. People are the ultimate judges ;)
when the judges are pre-teens who haven't got the slightest knowledge about music, then they don't count.
not sue if this o off topic, but when one compares the present 5 megapixel phones (viewty, g600, g800, n95, k850) which one has the best sound quality, and in which order would you rank them.
Samsung on top,Vewty/K850i next,N95 last.Thats just IMO.
Btw,anybody knows N76's test results?It shares N91's hardware partially.Is it much worse than N91, or comparable to N81/N82 in terms of sound quality?
Domo Kun
14-11-2007, 20:00
Sparky-
you PWNED him :lol:
Anyway being not an audiophile im quite happy with N70
So the music phone line should be:-
1) Samsung i450
2) nokia n91
3) nokia n81 = n82
4) samsung ultra music + nokia xpress music (according to elder)
5) walkman.
Ruhul
if you mean playback quality, n91 comes first... RMAA datas prove that...
^^ Eldar said i450 blow n91 a way when it comes to a music phone, i do't trust'em any way ...
Well me talked about that already.Please see the previous 15-20 posts(if you haven't done it yet).
Something about N76's RMAA results?
Kaiba, no man. Elder never said it man. He said, when it comes to music department, i450 comes first. It doesn't mean it has better sonic experience. And the difference between those is not huge. Note: elder also said, when he compares iphone and i450 , he could not find any significant difference.
So whats the meaning. Isn't n91 sounds better than iphone? So sound quality wise : n91>i450>iphone
BrightSpark
17-11-2007, 05:28
Kaiba, no man. Elder never said it man. He said, when it comes to music department, i450 comes first. It doesn't mean it has better sonic experience. And the difference between those is not huge. Note: elder also said, when he compares iphone and i450 , he could not find any significant difference.
So whats the meaning. Isn't n91 sounds better than iphone? So sound quality wise : n91>i450>iphone
the logic is wrong.
Brightspark, explain it please.
Ruhul, check the previous page.
Something about N76's RMAA results?
Im also waiting for this.The sound quality of the N76 is very good
I've heard that too. N76 has some of N91's chips. I suppose the power is the main difference between the two. :confused:
Well I owned the N76 but what I noticed is the amplifier works well with the phone but not at max volume.2 levels before the max volume, the bass is reduced by much.I think its to avoid damaging the earphones.The the sound quality was excellent with very good, deep bass and so much better than the horrible 5700.But I think it doesnt have a DAC I guess to keep the N91 above
wickedass
17-11-2007, 20:23
SonyLover
i have both W950 and N91 and after a thorough, complete and unbiased analysis ive come to a point that w950 ..is a lovely phone on its own ...the screen,OS,USB 2, flash memory are all grt but when it comes to music it lags behind N91 big time. its a good music phone but not the best. cause
1 sound clarity and loudness leaves much 2 b desired.
2 the playlist support is a joke. u cant reorder songs.
3 the equilizer is a sham.u cant create ur own settings.the so called mega bass IMO sux.
4 last but not the least ..tho N91's music player is visually much less appealing but it is much faster than that of W950.
You're right, but you're too decisive IMHO. W950i is not THAT bad, its just bad. :D
But just to add, W950i shouldof had more RAM. Well it freezes several times a day! That really sucks! Even the music player is too heavy for the phone, IMHO.
Still things as battery life and etc. made me keep it for now, but only until I decide which phone I want to buy - N82/N95 8gb/N91's successor.
I'm really waiting for N91's successor.
SozeTheKeyser
17-11-2007, 23:13
Well the N81, is supposed to be the successor of the N91. Atleast that was the word out about it, even since it began being rumoured. But haven't found out yet, whether the sound quality actually lives up to the heritage of the N91.
Well the N81, is supposed to be the successor of the N91. Atleast that was the word out about it, even since it began being rumoured. But haven't found out yet, whether the sound quality actually lives up to the heritage of the N91.
more like predecessor to me
Yeah, the real N91 successor is going to be announced and released in the next few months. N81 wasn't it.
SonyLover
i have both W950 and N91 and after a thorough, complete and unbiased analysis ive come to a point that w950 ..is a lovely phone on its own ...the screen,OS,USB 2, flash memory are all grt but when it comes to music it lags behind N91 big time. its a good music phone but not the best. cause
1 sound clarity and loudness leaves much 2 b desired.
2 the playlist support is a joke. u cant reorder songs.
3 the equilizer is a sham.u cant create ur own settings.the so called mega bass IMO sux.
4 last but not the least ..tho N91's music player is visually much less appealing but it is much faster than that of W950.
my thought exactly!
also
5. it can only do a search by three letter word.
6. the back button will send u back to stanby menu.
7. bluetooth stereo headphone always disconnect or when connecting it cant detect after 4-5 times.. (atleast on mine - a bug maybe.)
wickedass
18-11-2007, 04:27
W950i shouldof had more RAM. Well it freezes several times a day!
lucky me then...mine hasnt frozen or hanged till yet..
SozeTheKeyser
18-11-2007, 13:01
Yeah, the real N91 successor is going to be announced and released in the next few months. N81 wasn't it.
Hehe, oh you mean the 16gb UMTS iPhone, Jobs keeps murmuring about? :-P
No, but seriously, if they plan on getting a handset that is "the real succesor", they should pick up pace, and take care of the hardships. I know it's NOKIA, but they should be able to shave down size on those bricks and still keep stand-by/talk-time at a decent level.
Nokia, as everyone else, are crazy about showing stuff into one handset. So wouldn't be surprised it'd be more music+video, than just music. And finally rock some real nand, atleast 16 gb. And throw in a memory slot too, just like the E8. Since Sandisk are working on a 32 gb microSDHC.
That and anytime soon, please. A couple of months is max, if they want to meet the arrival of the 3G iPhone.
....If not, I hear ARCHOS are thinking in lines of coming out with SIM-equipped devices ;-D (no word, on a callings features though)
Soze,
N91 successor is coming soon. About the size - I'm a brick fan in fact. :p
I like bigger phones because of the display and the bigger buttons too. My hands are kinda big and a flimsy little phone isn't what I'm looking for. Despite the good size, N91 was not for me because of the small numeric buttons, hidden under the slide.
Certainly the phone won't be a music-only device. It will be music-heavy, but imaging or video capabilities will be available too. Thats not SE, you know. :D
An Archos will be a really good brick phone(or at least browser) :D , but the software will be lagging behind, as well as imaging.
I hope n91 successor will have touchscreen too. And hopefully fp2.
nokia has battery life issues with its handsets, they should work foremost on it rather than packing with all the available features as it's suppose to be music(video) phone
aBis that old news... the new nokia music phone have 18-22 hours in music playback :)
SozeTheKeyser
18-11-2007, 16:03
icka,
is that a hope or a rumour, mate? :-)
I mean, I don't keep updated on Nokia fora so much (as I should). But overall, I haven't heard anything specific on the n91+. So has there been smoke signals, I haven't detected? :-D
The rumour is that N91 is coming. When - nobody knows.
But I recall N91 was planned to be out for the end of 2005. It was released later, however(Q2/2006). N91 8gb was released in Q1/2007. So I'm waiting for N91 successor's announcement on Nokia World/CES International/3GSM. Maybe they'll do the same they did with N82 - immediate release. :jump:
Btw,N76's successor is coming too. N76 was announced in January 2007.
The rumour is that N91 is coming. When - nobody knows.
But I recall N91 was planned to be out for the end of 2005. It was released later, however(Q2/2006). N91 8gb was released in Q1/2007. So I'm waiting for N91 successor's announcement on Nokia World/CES International/3GSM. Maybe they'll do the same they did with N82 - immediate release. :jump:
Immediate release :), seen any N82s for sale yet my friend :D
Hi mweb :)
Well not exactly the same day, but still not 3 months later :)
SozeTheKeyser
18-11-2007, 22:19
Hehe, I'll await incriminating Nokia sites source-codes and mysterious patent/fcc releases, then. Just like with the N81 and N82.
Just a little update: N95 8gb RMAA results added.
i450's overall results:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2084/clipboard01nz8.jpg
N81's overall results:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3508/clipboard04sf3.jpg
N95 8gb's overall results:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3899/clipboard01ca9.jpg
Неравномерность АЧХ (от 40 Гц до 15 кГц), дБ: means Frequency response (from 40 Hz to 15 kHz), dB:
Уровень шума, дБ (А): means Noise level, dB (A):
Динамический диапазон, дБ (А): means Dynamic range, dB (A):
Гармонические искажения, %: means THD, %:
Интермодуляционные искажения + шум, %: means IMD, %:
Взаимопроникновение каналов, дБ: means Stereo crosstalk, dB:
Интермодуляции на 10 кГц, %: means Intermodulation at 10 kHz, %:
i450's frequency response:
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/231/clipboard02wh1.jpg
N81's frequency response:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1082/clipboard05gu5.jpg
N95 8gb's frequency response:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2784/clipboard02km7.jpg
N95 8gb is not a bad performer, but not very good too. It has a lower bass response, but that not a big deal. It can be adjusted by the EQ. But things like dynamic range, noise level, IMD and stereo crosstalk spoil the sound. :(
Thanks icaka, for posting it here.
TechFreak
20-11-2007, 19:05
Just a little update: N95 8gb RMAA results added.
N95 8gb is not a bad performer, but not very good too. It has a lower bass response, but that not a big deal. It can be adjusted by the EQ. But things like dynamic range, noise level, IMD and stereo crosstalk spoil the sound. :(
I'm disappointed with the N95 8GB. I expected more from a flagship multimedia phone!
Thanks icaka, for posting it here.
No problem, I'll keep it updated as soon as I find RMAA results for other high-end music/multimedia phones. ;)
some people state that N82's audio quality is the same as that of N81, if that's true, now that's what I call an all-in-one device! :up:
I'm disappointed with the N95 8GB. I expected more from a flagship multimedia phone!
Yepp - that graph looks rather dire - and the other measures are disappointing as well...
some people state that N82's audio quality is the same as that of N81, if that's true, now that's what I call an all-in-one device! :up:
Like Eldar, I suppose :p
I like it more than N95 8gb - the audio quality, the headphone jack on the top and the navi wheel made it a no-brainer for me. :rotate:
Yeah, the navi wheel... It will have it for sure. ;)
SozeTheKeyser
20-11-2007, 20:01
thanks icka, nice one mate :-).
Now if there was only one for the N91, so we could compare it with the N81 :-P
We have N91's RMAA results, though no image with frequency response. I'll add them too.
Just a little update: N91 RMAA results added.
i450's overall results:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2084/clipboard01nz8.jpg
N81's overall results:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3508/clipboard04sf3.jpg
N95 8gb's overall results:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3899/clipboard01ca9.jpg
N91's overall results:
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2316/clipboard03un9.jpg
Неравномерность АЧХ (от 40 Гц до 15 кГц), дБ: means Frequency response (from 40 Hz to 15 kHz), dB:
Уровень шума, дБ (А): means Noise level, dB (A):
Динамический диапазон, дБ (А): means Dynamic range, dB (A):
Гармонические искажения, %: means THD, %:
Интермодуляционные искажения + шум, %: means IMD, %:
Взаимопроникновение каналов, дБ: means Stereo crosstalk, dB:
Интермодуляции на 10 кГц, %: means Intermodulation at 10 kHz, %:
i450's frequency response:
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/231/clipboard02wh1.jpg
N81's frequency response:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1082/clipboard05gu5.jpg
N95 8gb's frequency response:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2784/clipboard02km7.jpg
N95 8gb is not a bad performer, but not very good too. It has a lower bass response, but that not a big deal. It can be adjusted by the EQ. But things like dynamic range, noise level, IMD and stereo crosstalk spoil the sound. :(
SozeTheKeyser
20-11-2007, 22:12
We have N91's RMAA results, though no image with frequency response. I'll add them too.
Hehe, I wanted to say something cool in Russian. But my Russian isn't as good as my dad's, who took it in college. So I could only find an out to say i love you(with use of an online phrasebook) and that may be a little too rich, just yet :-D.
So you'll have to make do with "truly splendid job, much obliged" :-)
i450 is a bit better than the n81... but not better than the n91
The music kings -
1)i450, n81, n82 n91
2)samsung beatz= Xpress Music
3)walkman.
Hehe, I wanted to say something cool in Russian. But my Russian isn't as good as my dad's, who took it in college. So I could only find an out to say i love you(with use of an online phrasebook) and that may be a little too rich, just yet :-D.
So you'll have to make do with "truly splendid job, much obliged" :-)
Thanks man. But really, I'm not Russian, I just know the language. I know German and Japanese too.(well Japanese not as much as German or Russian :D )
BrightSpark
21-11-2007, 15:41
The music kings -
1)i450, n81, n82 n91
2)samsung beatz= Xpress Music
3)walkman.
you've forgotten the ROKRS. they're above the walkmans.
you've forgotten the ROKRS. they're above the walkmans
oh yeah, the line up-
The music kings -
1)i450, n81, n82 n91
2)samsung beatz= Xpress Music
3) moto rokr
4) walkman
Hmm not sure if N82 is a music king for real. I've read a review which is very long and well-done, and according to it, N82 is more comparable to N95 8gb than to N81 in terms of sound quality... :confused:
I read something on AAS but Im not sure.It says that N81 is an improvement over the N91.Im not sure if its about sound qualtiy
"The sound quality put out by the N81 is fractionally better than the N95 – at least to my ears. I also think there is an improvement over the previous music focused Nseries - the N91. On the N81 there is a touch more richness to the treble and the bass is a lot crisper"
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_N81_pt_2-Listening_To_The_Music.php
krazyfrog
22-11-2007, 14:46
Is there any other smartphone from Nokia, apart from N91 (outdated) and N81(too expensive) that offers the great sound quality of these models? I know the N95/8gb sounds average. How about N73?
N73 is below average for me.A flat sound with useless EQ
VerteX_GT
22-11-2007, 15:46
oh yeah, the line up-
The music kings -
1)i450, n81, n82 n91
2)samsung beatz= Xpress Music
3) moto rokr
4) walkman
Moreover, the DAC-33 chip used in N91, 5310/5610XM devices is originally designed by the top-tier audio IC designer Burr-Brown (subsidiary of TI).
the DAC-33 chip
Here it is:
http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tlv320aic33.html
Not too good for a DAC. Definitely not top-end. And the DAC itself is just a part of an audio chain which is completely implemented in N91, but just partially in the other handsets. So N91 is still best for quality(though by a little bit, or even on par if music is encoded in 160-256kbps mp3 files) and for power(here N91 outshines the others).
Burr-Brown are one of the best DAC-manufacturers, but I would rate Cyrrus Logic and Analog Devices higher(due to my considerable experience with all of these brands). Analog Devices sell the best portable audio solutions, better than Burr Brown's ICs by a margin.
krazyfrog
22-11-2007, 18:38
N73 is below average for me.A flat sound with useless EQHow is the sound of N73 compared to the K810 you had?
The K810 had an excellent music quality.Im still impressed.It had a modded acoustic driver and the sound was very good.The N73 cant come close to the K810 in terms of sound quality.My friend who had an N91 was also impressed with my K810.He couldnt believe his ears.The bass was slightly less than the N91, had good mids but lacked some treble though.The phones that had an impressive sound quality for me is the N76 and K810.I didnt own an N91 but I played with my friend's N91.I would recommend K810 instead of N73 for music.BTW I updated my N73 to the lastest fw with the same music player as the ME version when I had it and still average sound.
krazyfrog
23-11-2007, 01:21
The K810 had an excellent music quality.Im still impressed.It had a modded acoustic driver and the sound was very good.The N73 cant come close to the K810 in terms of sound quality.My friend who had an N91 was also impressed with my K810.He couldnt believe his ears.The bass was slightly less than the N91, had good mids but lacked some treble though.The phones that had an impressive sound quality for me is the N76 and K810.I didnt own an N91 but I played with my friend's N91.I would recommend K810 instead of N73 for music.BTW I updated my N73 to the lastest fw with the same music player as the ME version when I had it and still average sound.Umm... OK Thanks. Btw does N76 still has the chrome peeling problem?
@krazyfrog
May i ask how you have encoded your Music and what type of Headphones you are using to say the N95 8GB's sound is average.
As i have a N95 8GB and all my Music is encoded @256kbps AAC used with a pair of Shure EC2g headphones and average is certainly not the way i would describe and it, i have left the equaliser on it's normal preset, Stunning is more how i would describe the results i have got, in fact more than good enough for me to sell my 5th generation iPod. I listen to a wide range of styles of Music and find all of them to give a great sound stage with good separation of instruments and a rich full sound.
Marc
N95 8gb sound very impressive via headphone imo! ppl kept saying its averages but its actually not infact its much better compared to my W950i! paired it with Sony MDR V300 headphone.
krazyfrog
23-11-2007, 10:34
@krazyfrog
May i ask how you have encoded your Music and what type of Headphones you are using to say the N95 8GB's sound is average.
As i have a N95 8GB and all my Music is encoded @256kbps AAC used with a pair of Shure EC2g headphones and average is certainly not the way i would describe and it, i have left the equaliser on it's normal preset, Stunning is more how i would describe the results i have got, in fact more than good enough for me to sell my 5th generation iPod. I listen to a wide range of styles of Music and find all of them to give a great sound stage with good separation of instruments and a rich full sound.
MarcI haven't heard the sound. I just read it on various sites that the sound of N95 is average compared to phones like N91 and is similar to regular S60 phones. Even on this forum many people have said that the N95 sounds average. Also i believe the sound of N95 is same as that of N95 8gb.
and is similar to regular S60 phones.
that i cant agree.... n95 is comparable to n76 but not 6120 which is also s60... n81 is indeed better but i can tweak EQ settings more on n95...
As i have a N95 8GB and all my Music is encoded @256kbps AAC used with a pair of Shure EC2g headphones and average is certainly not the way i would describe and it, i have left the equaliser on it's normal preset, Stunning is more how i would describe the results i have got, in fact more than good enough for me to sell my 5th generation iPod.
256kbps AAC is an overkill...IMO;)
i just use 192kbps VBR which i cant recognize much of dif. with 256kbps.... im also using shure e2... i do tweak the EQ coz bass with e2 is not that good..
Umm... OK Thanks. Btw does N76 still has the chrome peeling problem?
I think this problem is still here.Apart from that its a very good phone
Any advice between N95-8gb or N91 8gb?Im stuck between those 2.I need music mainly but N95 8gb is really nice.knights comparing N95-8gb and N91-8gb is there a huge difference?I always tweak EQ and if I tweak the EQ of the N95 8gb will the bass be good or still flat like the other S60?
knights comparing N95-8gb and N91-8gb is there a huge difference?I always tweak EQ and if I tweak the EQ of the N95 8gb will the bass be good or still flat like the other S60?
loudness/power is the big dif... n91 can pump up even full size headphones... n95's EQ is also effective and is better than most of nokia... bass is comparable to n76 or even n81 (with tweaked EQ)....
and dont tend to generalize s60 in terms of quality.... 6120, 5700, n81, n95, e51, e90 are all s60 but they have dif. sound signature...
loudness/power is the big dif... n91 can pump up even full size headphones... n95's EQ is also effective and is better than most of nokia... bass is comparable to n76 or even n81 (with tweaked EQ)....
and dont tend to generalize s60 in terms of quality.... 6120, 5700, n81, n95, e51, e90 are all s60 but they have dif. sound signature...
ok then I will try the N95 8gb tomorrow and see what it gives with my Sony in-ear earphones.If the bass is like the N76 then its great.But why mentioning the 6120?Is there any special with the 6120 sound quality?
But why mentioning the 6120?Is there any special with the 6120 sound quality?
nope, but still using same platform with 5700 and n81....
N95 8gb sound very impressive via headphone imo! ppl kept saying its averages but its actually not infact its much better compared to my W950i! paired it with Sony MDR V300 headphone.
according to elder n95-8gb is decent for music and can be compared with standaloe mp3 player.
Is there any special with the 6120 sound quality
no, it`s somewhat worse.
So it has a good sound quality for a cheap phone?
Im going to try the N95 8gb and if its good I will buy it tomorrow :rotate:
krazyfrog
23-11-2007, 14:07
and dont tend to generalize s60 in terms of quality.... 6120, 5700, n81, n95, e51, e90 are all s60 but they have dif. sound signature...Yeah but they still mostly sound average, different, but average. These are also not the phones which come to your mind when thinking of good music playback. Thats why S60 sound tends to get generalised. Only a few phones like N76, N95/8gb have good sound while N91 and N81 have proper dedicated audio player like sound.
Btw @@ if music quality is of outmost importance, N91 is still the pick of the lot.
if its good
The phone is very very good at least. ;)
Only a few phones like N76, N95/8gb have good sound while N91 and N81 have proper dedicated audio player like sound.
dont be fooled with that dedicated audio chip badge... 5700 is advertized with DAC but quality is worse compared to n76...
Btw @@ if music quality is of outmost importance, N91 is still the pick of the lot.
Yes but the price Im paying for the N91 8gb.There isnt any new one available here.Im getting a 2nd hand one for quite expensive.I can also afford a brand new n95 8gb.
The phone is very very good at least.
I will confirm that in about 1hr :D
5700 is advertized with DAC but quality is worse compared to n76
Unfortunately, thats completely true.The 5700 has a useless DAC.The phone has only a great keypad and screen but disappointing sound quality
Yeah, the DAC is just one of the things. Sound quality is determined by the worst-performing part in the audio chain. Thats the rule of the audiophile society. :)
I just tried the N95 8gb.The sound quality is very good.The first thing that impressed me is the huge screen.I tried my sony in ear earphones and it was good.Its not as good as the N91 but it was good.I find the loudness enough for me and sound quality satisfactory.I am buying it tomorrow.The softkeys are really annoyingly small and I dont even have very big hands.
krazyfrog
23-11-2007, 17:02
dont be fooled with that dedicated audio chip badge... 5700 is advertized with DAC but quality is worse compared to n76...No no i didn't mean that. I'm not talking about audio chips. I meant that phones like N91 and N81 have sound quality like a proper music player, like the iPod for example.
@@, the N91 8gb has become very cheap here in India, almost half of the standard N95, most probably due to poor sales. Too bad its so expensive at your place. Btw you could also go for N81 8gb. After N91 its got the best sound.
krazyfrog
Yeah the N91 8gb brand new is US595 which is very expensive for an old and out dated phone.The N81 non 8gb is US650.The N95 8gb is officially US950.But I told my friend to buy the N81 8gb for me when he went to HK but he told me he didnt buy it as it was looking to cheap and was afraid I would get problems with it.He bought a N95 8gb too and I will buy it tomorrow from him.The sound quality was good
krazyfrog
23-11-2007, 18:50
Ok. Btw is there any reason why you prefer to use a cell phone for music instead of a proper music player? A good player like Cowon D2 or Creative Zen can really change the way you listen to music.
TechFreak
23-11-2007, 19:24
xkube, so it seems like the N95 8GB can use its full potential when paired with a good pair of headphone. I have always thought that the N95 8GB isn't that good.
@@, don't leave me alone as an N93i user.:D
N91 8gb has become very cheap here in India, almost half of the standard N95
n91-8gb is still expensive here.... even more expensive than n81-8gb....
A good player like Cowon D2 or Creative Zen can really change the way you listen to music.
theres lot of music features in phones that are absent in stand-alone DAP... you can create playlist on phones, you can send songs, you can buy directly from music store and etc etc.... + you dont need to carry 2 device.....
for casual listeners, phones are good enough but for heavy music user, stand-alone DAP is needed...
Ok. Btw is there any reason why you prefer to use a cell phone for music instead of a proper music player? A good player like Cowon D2 or Creative Zen can really change the way you listen to music.
I do have a Samsung YP-T9 which is very good and have much better sound quality than my sister's ipod nano(not the latest one) but I prefer carrying a phone than a phone and an mp3 player.People nowadays want to save place and want an all in one device in a minimum size and accept losing quality for space or portability.So, in some ways the phone representing this up to now is the N95 8gb
@@, don't leave me alone as an N93i user.
hehe...the N93i will remain with me.This phone is too stylish to sell lol.I cant forget that huge screen on the N95 8gb.Its too big.I must buy this fone tomorrow or else I will get sick lol :D
n91-8gb is still expensive here.... even more expensive than n81-8gb....
The N81 8gb isnt available here but the N91 8gb has same price as the N81 normal at US600 from what I checked today.Still very expensive here too
krazyfrog
24-11-2007, 04:32
All right then. N95 8gb seems perfect for you. Btw the screen is really gorgeous. Huge in size but still very bright. Nokia surely makes the best displays in the business.
n91-8gb is still expensive here.... even more expensive than n81-8gb....
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo????
Ruhul
n91-8gb=25990
n81-8gb=24800
Ruhul
n91-8gb=25990
n81-8gb=24800
really surprizing. n81 is not available here. but n91-8gb is around 590 US doller.
Maybe a little bit offtopic, but still interesting:
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/HONSHI/20070926/139730/
These capacitors will lead to breakthrough in mobile audio for sure. Maybe N91's successor's successor ( :D ) will be advertised:
"Thats what clubs have become." :D
Maybe a little bit offtopic, but still interesting:
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/HONSHI/20070926/139730/
These capacitors will lead to breakthrough in mobile audio for sure. Maybe N91's successor's successor ( :D ) will be advertised:
"Thats what clubs have become." :D
That is a lot of power for a fragile ear drum :eek: :D
The idea is that the power can be used to drive some small speakers directly or some powerful internal stereo speakers.
The idea is that the power can be used to drive some small speakers directly or some powerful internal stereo speakers.
Perhaps an external amplified speaker is the easier solution cos it doesnt add more heat to the phone?
SozeTheKeyser
24-11-2007, 14:25
Maybe a little bit offtopic, but still interesting:
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article...070926/139730/
These capacitors will lead to breakthrough in mobile audio for sure. Maybe N91's successor's successor ( ) will be advertised:
"Thats what clubs have become."
Very interesting. It could be fun exploring what Samsung has been doing for years, but with a twist. Two sets of batteries. Maybe a normal one, and then bulkier ones with (additional) built-in speakers. Kinda gives you the freedom between on-the-go and also having a boom-box. Or something of the lot...
Hehe, so what do you say icaka, should we set up shop, and starting making our own kick-ass media-mobiles. Then neither of us has to wait for the true successor (or successor of successor) of the N91 :-D.
successor of successor
????????????????????
????????????????????
Not the coming music flagship phone, but the next one. :p
SozeTheKeyser
25-11-2007, 18:59
:-] Haha, icaka; English, Russian, German, Japanese and now Keyserian....
.....Aber das ist sehr fantastish, Du forsteht mich ganz gut ;-)
Right, rusty school German ... but I think I got the point accross.
Sorry, if I'm getting too off-topic (but still...)
:-] Haha, icaka; English, Russian, German, Japanese and now Keyserian....
.....Aber das ist sehr fantastish, Du forsteht mich ganz gut ;-)
Right, rusty school German ...
Haha, na ja... :D Eine Fremdsprache gut beherrschen ist mehr Kontakt mit Völker haben. Viele Fremdsprache können ist die Mindestanforderung für erfolgreich berufliche Laufbahn machen. :)
Skål, menneske! :D
enerlevel
25-11-2007, 21:03
now this is something new to me ......
i did not know that samsung phones were actually inline with n91...........
for me the loudest mobile music phone through headphones is n91!!! but i have not yet used u600 , u700 , f300 and f500. i have been finding a replacement for me n91 since a long long time ..... let me check u700 tomorrow ... i will b back to u guys soon :D
the loudest mobile music phone through headphones is n91!!! true 100% only i450 can complete with it.
SozeTheKeyser
26-11-2007, 14:50
Viele Fremdsprache können ist die Mindestanforderung für erfolgreich berufliche Laufbahn machen.
Haha, true... my german goes just a little further than succesfully ordering at a german mcdonalds, where as my spanish ... does not :)
Cheers to you too, mate
Hehe that's what the mobile industry gets for sloth in regards to a really really cool music-mobile; us going off-topic.
Let that be a lesson to them, "hey, if you don't deliver, we'll just talk about something else".:D
After reading "N82 First impressions" in the Russian M-R I decided to go for N95 8gb. N82 is said to be on par with N95 8gb in terms of sound quality, both being behind N81. Sound reproduction is a deal breaker to me, while the Xenon flash can't make up for all the drawbacks of N82 compared to N95 8gb. In fact, N81, N82 and N95 8gb are not THAT different in terms of sound reproduction and N82/N95 8gb are not lagging behind too much.
Haha, true... my german goes just a little further than succesfully ordering at a german mcdonalds, where as my spanish ... does not :)
Good for you, my friend. I'm kinda weak at Roman languages :weep: :p
I meant that one foreign language eases the establishment of more contacts with people, while knowing many is a minimal requirement for a successful business career. ;)
:beer:
koRngear
26-11-2007, 18:54
The fact is N91 still rules out.;)
You are absolutely right, but N95 8gb is the best all-rounder. I'm waiting for N91's successor but until it comes I'll be with N95 8gb. N91's and N91 8gb's releases were postponed and I can't wait for N91's successor to come. I need a substitute. :)
I got the feeling that N91's successor wont be the best all rounder like N95 and N82 since it's music centric handset.
I expect:
3.2 megapix camera
16GB Flash most likely
2.4' VGA 16M TFT (yes VGA)
N82-size/dimension candybar
HSDPA quad bands, WiFi
3.5mm jack, miniUSB
my 2 cent :)
Yeah, I expect these too except the VGA screen. Honestly, how do you imagine looking at 2.4" VGA screen? Thats absolutely pointless! Also, it consumes too much power. Music phones must have good battery life and VGA screen is not the best way to do it. I even doubt anyone has ever manufactured 2.4 VGA screen.
*no offense*
I even doubt anyone has ever manufactured 2.4 VGA screen.
Sharp 904 has exactly this type of screen.But I agree that it is useless-3.0-3.2" WVGA is much more preferable:D
Yep, Sharp has proven the market that VGA 2.4' wont drink much of the juice
SozeTheKeyser
27-11-2007, 02:09
I wouldn't think they would bother putting a big brilliant screen on the n91+ (yup, tired of succesor, so just +, hehe). Since by the time it comes out, it will probably be battling the euro-iphone aka the 16 gb 3G version. And since from day one the battle has more been n95 vs. iPhone.
I would think that it's more likely that the n91+ becomes the audiophile's phone, where as the n95+ will be the one with the big displayed all-rounder, taking on Apple.
I have a friend from Oxford, who actually likes brick phones. And let's be honest, the n91 is a bit of a brick. But it's an audiophiles phone, and I think that is Nokia's ticket once again, on the n91+. A phone that foremost stands out in audio. Then almost everything else, is less of a concern.
smape sure does like the the audio of the U9, so it's going to be really interesting with the apple of my eye, the ROKR E8. Might not be able to be worthy of n91+, but darn it's purrty and nifty, and it makes me feel all giggly inside.
I have a friend from Oxford, who actually likes brick phones.
:eek:
You mean ME? I love brick phones and audio quality. :D
:love:
SozeTheKeyser
27-11-2007, 13:58
You mean ME? I love brick phones and audio quality.
Yeah, mate. I know you do :-D
- Haha, Think I go around proposing going into business, and making the coolest music-mobiles with just everyone. I'm not that kind of girl... erh, guy, I meant guy. ;-).
You're cool :-)
Yeah, mate. I know you do :-D
- Haha, Think I go around proposing going into business, and making the coolest music-mobiles with just everyone. I'm not that kind of girl... erh, guy, I meant guy. ;-).
You're cool :-)
Thanks, but I didn't quite understand the rest of your post. :) :insane:
:D
SozeTheKeyser
27-11-2007, 15:08
Haha, earlier when you had put the link for the super-conductor.
A couple of posts after, I said that instead of waiting for Nokia or anyone else getting their act together, we should just make our own kick-ass music mobile :-D.
SozeTheKeyser
28-11-2007, 17:35
Just tried the Serenata today, for the first time. A very unique phone, and the sound is very clear and good. Does anyone have statistics on how it compares against i450 and n91?
anyone knows the price of a brand new n91 8gb in india? is the old one still available?
At first i thought n82 has same audio as n81. But it isn't. N81 is better!
Yeah N82 is on par with N95 8gb and they are both inferior to N81.
but that is still good/satisfactory right? and better that most of the optons out there.?
Satisfactory, yes. Outstanding/benchmark, no.
But still better than many of the phones out there. The only thing I'm concerned about right now is volume. What about it? I doubt it will be as low as W950i(which I'm using right now), but it should be lower than N81. :confused:
The only thing I'm concerned about right now is volume. What about it? I doubt it will be as low as W950i(which I'm using right now), but it should be lower than N81
Volume should be the same as N95 8gb which is ok with in ear earphones and very good with normal earphones.It should be identical to N95 8gb imo with its usual 8 band EQ
krazyfrog
04-12-2007, 01:23
anyone knows the price of a brand new n91 8gb in india? is the old one still available?around 13k i think. Dunno whether its still available or not.
Today i plugged a imobile's headset to my 3110 classic. The sound is very impressive.
Super Chimp
09-12-2007, 00:29
I am bit shocked that the sound on my N95 8Gb seems more 'lively' than the sound on my ipod Touch!:confused:
Super Chimpsadly but true... even with in-earphones its soo soft :/.
Super Chimpsadly but true... even with in-earphones its soo soft :/.
There you are, the RMAA results for both devices:
N95 8gb's overall results:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3899/clipboard01ca9.jpg
iPod Touch overall results:
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2345/clipboard01fi8.jpg
Looks like N95 8gb should be a little bit inferior to iPod Touch, but in the real life N95 8gb is better(based on your posts). Guys are you sure that you've turned all the effects off and the music compression is the same? These two things could very well explain the difference between statistics and real life performance.
Super Chimp, Jo,
could you please compare the sound quality of N95 8gb vs. Samsung G600? I see both of you have them both. :D The Samsung should perform better, I know, but I want to know your opinions too.
BrightSpark
09-12-2007, 01:36
Jo
what's your opinion of the g600? maybe you could mention a bit about it in the following thread to avoid sending this one off track:
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=68959&page=11
I am bit shocked that the sound on my N95 8Gb seems more 'lively' than the sound on my ipod Touch!
Thats great.
Jo how is the sound of the n82 compared to that of n95 8gb through both headphone and speakers.
Anti fanboy
09-12-2007, 13:23
W810 for me:jump:,N91 sound is through headfones is loud n clear but it lacks bass:insane:.
N91 sound is through headfones is loud n clear but it lacks bass
I dont know if your N91 was good but my N91 is better than my modded k750 which is like the W810 which I had before.The N91 is clearer, louder, and has more bass on default EQ
Anti fanboy
09-12-2007, 13:54
People here say,walkman based fones sound quality did not changed since W800.I found a great improvement when i listened to W910i from W810i through earphones .Still sound quality is subjective.
Still sound quality is subjective
Thats right and it also depends on earphones used .
I tried N91 8gb vs ipod nano 4gb 2nd generation.The nano is good but has more distortions at high volume, too much mids and treble and less power than N91.Again thats my opinion.Earphones used:in-ear Sony MDR-EX90LP
@@, you brought k750 as a camera phone? N95 to k750 is not worth. Is not? Any way n91 is the best music phone in the international market.
koRngear
09-12-2007, 16:18
I dont know if your N91 was good but my N91 is better than my modded k750 which is like the W810 which I had before.The N91 is clearer, louder, and has more bass on default EQ
N91 is more bassy than others, no doubt.
Hi all
icka and i have actually been discussing this and a few other points over at Esato for some time. The conclusions i have reached are this when i had my original N95 i was very happy with the results i was getting, i wasn't happy with the Music player on the E90 so at that time also bought a 80gb 5th Gen iPod and from what i have read recently this apparently has the best sound of all the iPods if this true or not i really don't know.
Now all my Music is encoded @ 256kbps AAC in iTunes and i use a pair of Shure EC2g in ear phones on both the iPod and my N95 8GB. When i first got the N95 8gb i was fairly certain there was very little difference if any between the two devices. So after 3 weeks of using the N95 8gb and before selling the iPod i decided to go back to it for small test.
Now i must admit i have been surprised by the results i have listened to a mix of types of music to be able to fully test the full range of response and quality and can without hesitation say. Whilst the N95 8gb does indeed produce a nice full rich sound with a good sound stage and excellent quality the iPod is better. I will use the iPod for my Music and the N95 8gb for Video and Films. This may not be anyone else's conclusions but it is mine.
Marc
Hi all
icaka and i have actually been discussing this and a few other points over at Esato for some time. The conclusions i have reached are this when i had my original N95 i was very happy with the results i was getting, i wasn't happy with the Music player on the E90 so at that time also bought a 80gb 5th Gen iPod and from what i have read recently this apparently has the best sound of all the iPods if this true or not i really don't know.
Hi man :)
Nice to see you here too :)
You are absolutely right about the 5th Gen iPod Video. Its the best iPod out there in terms of sound quality. Apple has that very reasonable policy to throw in the Classic(in the 5th Gen the Video is the Classic) the best circuits(still not on par with other brands, but...). The Classics have been improving on the sound quality front with every generation, except the 6th. The circuits of 5th Gen iPod Video and 6th Gen iPod Classic are exactly the same. So no need to upgrade to 6th Gen, its not better. :)
I know N95 8gb is sufficient for outdoors listening(except for volume sometimes), and I much appreciate the 3.5mm jack on it. Though not exactly the jack, but the software support for it. When you plug in a plug for the first time, it will ask you if you have connected a pair of headphones or a music stand. Exactly the music stand option is interesting to me, as I may plug my portable headphone amp and enjoy a better sound, due to the bypassing of the internal headphone amp of N95 8gb. I expect better channel separation, lower THD and IMD, and of course, better dynamic range. About the noise I couldn't be so sure, but I'll try it and compare it to listening without the amp. And that will solve the volume issue once and for all. ;)
@@, you brought k750 as a camera phone? N95 to k750 is not worth. Is not? Any way n91 is the best music phone in the international market.
K750 isnt my cam phone.Its just a cheap phone I got to use as spare.Its a nice phone until my N82 comes at the end of the week ;)
I will use the iPod for my Music and the N95 8gb for Video and Films
I agree with that.The N95 8gb has a good sound quality but it cant replace a a music player.Thats why I sold mine.I was looking for excellent sound quality in a phone and the N91 8gb does the job perfectly well
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