View Full Version : When will Sony.E & LG use 16m colour display?
While many may disagree with me with the needs of 16m colour display on a very small ( 2.0' - 2.6'') inch display, i have to say i really noticed the differences between 16m QVGA and 256K QVGA displays on 2.0-2.4'' displays.
Especially when you do a side-by-side comparison between Nokia's latest handsets, you will notice the great depth on nokia's side.
Moto, nokia and samsung are heading to the right direction by implenting 16m million colour display, while Sony.E and LG are still using the old 256K lcds. Not to mention their handsets aint cheaper either :)
what do you think?
difenbaker
13-10-2007, 21:04
mmm....... I can think of a couple of reasons why they're not doing it...
1. First, is that they think people wont notice it... which is true to some extent. :) Just take a look and read about the K850 posts here in the forum - no one's paid that much attention that it doesn't have a 16M screen - they're concerned more for the camera, than in anything else, right?
2. Second, adding a screen like that... might make the phone consume more power. And SE and LG are boasting of "how long" the standby times of their phones are. They're not about to ruin that in order to give the owner a better display and graphical experience.
3. Third. Like you said... they're hardly any cheaper.., which means if such a screen was added, it would more than likely make them more overpriced than they already are.
4. Fourth, a 16M screen is I think more suited to a phone with a large(r) display than one with a small one. Would one spend hours watching a video - looking at a screen that's only 2"? With an E90 or N95/N95-3, it's tolerable... barely, but still tolerable. For a phone with somethin smaller than those screens, it might be hurtful to the eyes already.
In fact, this could also be the reason why the video performance of these phones (from SE and LG) are not that high in the first place. Coz the manufacturers feel that these phones are not used for watching video, anyway.
Just my 2 cents
cheers!
BrightSpark
13-10-2007, 21:08
i think its something pointless that benefits only the manufacturer's sales, and not the customers.
SonyLover
13-10-2007, 21:14
I don't think so. They drain the battery like crazy, I don't want that :p
They drain the battery like crazy
So - you have ANY valid backup information to that claim? I'm waiting...
BrightSpark
13-10-2007, 21:30
So - you have ANY valid backup information to that claim? I'm waiting...
well, he's partly right and mostly wrong. he's right in that it does drain the battery more, but he's wrong in that it doesn't drain the battery "like crazy".
to process the greater amount of colours, more bits are required. this, in turn, puts a heavier load on the processor. anything that results in more processing for the CPU/GPU more will drain the battery more.
BrightSpark, it was actually the like crazy part I seriously doubt - a bit, maybe, but I don't buy the story about it needing a lot more power.
BrightSpark
13-10-2007, 21:37
BrightSpark, it was actually the like crazy part I seriously doubt - a bit, maybe, but I don't buy the story about it needing a lot more power.
yeah, he's wrong about that.....especially on a 176x220 screen(standard on SEs). the higher the resolution, the more taxing on the processor those 16M colours will be.
Something to consider, from Sidneylopsides, re: his K850(262k screen):
Screen is excellent, better than the G600 no question, brighter, strong colours and contrast, sharper too as the G600 can be a bit odd in the way it renders.
I've also got to add, weighing it up, the screen on my T650(by Panasonic, btw) didn't seem any worse than the G600 I had, either...is 16m colours really necessary(although I'm sure it would improve P990's somewhat 'lifeless' 2.8" screen)??
:)
well E-series boost 16millions screens... and they have big batteries to back it up.
btw: its really noticeable but more with gradients.
any of you check the nokia noir theme on a k790 / 256k colors screen
it looks like crap!
but is perfect on the 6300/6131
Awesome_Aleks
14-10-2007, 03:27
well E-series boost 16millions screens... and they have big batteries to back it up.
btw: its really noticeable but more with gradients.
any of you check the nokia noir theme on a k790 / 256k colors screen
it looks like crap!
but is perfect on the 6300/6131
yeah it looks crappy on my 256K 5300 screen as well
there are very big deifferences, I have compared 5300 & 6300 screen and the colours on the 6300's screen are amazing
16.7M color screens are nothing to brag about and the increase in consuption is minimal. The backlight is what consumes most part of the energy, the rest is crystal and construction quality.
The added price tag does not compensate the difference as color count is only noticed in gradients on pictures or movies with sunsets or blue skys, other than that a good 262k screen is fantastic. Those screens are little (even 2.8" from PDAs) and only on a 4.3" like PSPīs we see any (real) difference.
I rather see the money spent on a better camera, battery, software and plastics than on the upgrade to 16.7M colors.
rmcrys, I don't think that 16M screens add much cost - after all, the 6300 is pretty much dirt cheap for example...
Anyway, I don't care if a handset has a 262K or a 16M screen. Either one is fine with me...
sidneylopsides
14-10-2007, 14:48
16.7m colours should reduce or even remove banding effects, but it's not a guarantee of a good quality screen, the G600 has some quite strong banding (especially noticeable on dark images).
It's more of a marketing tool, it doesn't do much for overall image quality at the moment.
same the 6131 is going for less than 200$ now.
BrightSpark
14-10-2007, 18:43
16.7m colours should reduce or even remove banding effects, but it's not a guarantee of a good quality screen, the G600 has some quite strong banding (especially noticeable on dark images).
It's more of a marketing tool, it doesn't do much for overall image quality at the moment.
especially when most wallpapers don't use the full 16M colour spectrum.
i think its something pointless that benefits only the manufacturer's sales, and not the customers.
Quite agree, 16m colours is just grist for the PR guys mill, no discernable difference to a major extent.
sidneylopsides
14-10-2007, 22:36
BrightSpark, technically you can't use the full 16.7m colours as there simply are enough pixels :)
BrightSpark
14-10-2007, 22:47
BrightSpark, technically you can't use the full 16.7m colours as there simply are enough pixels :)
i said the "16M colour spectrum". i didn't mean that a wallpaper had to use all 16M colours.
MobileSlider
14-10-2007, 23:01
I believe displays that use a 16.7 million resolution are indeed superior. It is widely known that the human eye can detect colors somewhere in the range of 7-10 million different colors, but the exact amount cannot be confirmed.
Of course, every person's eyes perceive color a bit differently, but if one were to "train" their eyes to see the different color variations, displays using 256K res. would indeed seem inferior.
But to the average consumer, it is hardly noticeable.
It is a great marketing ploy, because we have obviously been force fed that "more is better" when it comes to just about anything.
For example, I only use component cables to hook up my HDTV cable box to my HDTV. It is capable of also using HDMI cables, but when I have used the HDMI cables, I really don't notice a difference. People just think that because HDMI cables are $300.00.....they must be superior.
Just plain & simple marketing ploys.
McKinley
15-10-2007, 00:33
yeah, he's wrong about that.....especially on a 176x220 screen(standard on SEs). the higher the resolution, the more taxing on the processor those 16M colours will be.
Standard on Sony Ericssons??
If you are thinking of entry and some mide phones then I buy it but on mid to high end, that is just nonsense.
Go check all the recent releases.
SonyLover
15-10-2007, 01:35
specially on a 176x220 screen(standard on SEs).
Lol, that's not true. Most new SE have QVGA screens - K810, W960, W880, W580, K770, S500, T650, K850, P1, W910...
SonyLover that very recent.
and most of those phones are overpriced... except the s500 but that is cheap plastic made keypad.
their midrange
where the 6300 6131 5300 are still is filled w610 w660 v630 z610
BrightSpark
15-10-2007, 03:10
Standard on Sony Ericssons??
If you are thinking of entry and some mide phones then I buy it but on mid to high end, that is just nonsense.
Go check all the recent releases.
ok, relatively standard then. they still use considerably more 176x220 displays than any other by far.
McKinley
15-10-2007, 03:22
SonyLover that very recent.
and most of those phones are overpriced... except the s500 but that is cheap plastic made keypad.
their midrange
where the 6300 6131 5300 are still is filled w610 w660 v630 z610
What exactly does that have to do with screens?
When do you stop this anti-SE campaign?
McKinley ohhh by any chance this have to do with that.
but considering the price range all the other brands have QVGA at a lower price.
that because BS said the standard is 176x220.
SonyLover
15-10-2007, 04:33
SonyLover that very recent.
and most of those phones are overpriced...
Maybe in your country. Here, the W580, S500, K810 are pretty cheap :)
SonyLover cheap as build quality ;)
About the 16m screen. Its not about whether you'll see the difference, or whether it kills the battery, or whether its worth it, etc.. Its about the next step. We started at two colours. Then we added 3, etc.. When the early colour phones hit the market people (including myself) were saying the smae thing. That I use a phone to make calls, etc.. Don't need all those fancy colours. Today, I listen to music, watch videos and take pics and videos on my mobile. I surf the net, check e-mails, etc and it wouldn't happen without colour screens.
One developers and consumers saw the potential, it became common, moved to 65,000 colours, of course they saw what PDAs could do with those colour and wanted to put them in a phone. Then came the current standard 262k.. Obviously the next step is 16m colours. It has nothing to do with battery or price.
Its all about the next step in phone design. I think Nokia taking the lead is commendable. People might say 16m isn't good, worth the money, battery, etc.. But Nokia shows that there is no harm in going 16m. In fact it maybe beneficial. They can take on the tag as the world's most advanced mobile phone maker, use of the 16m screen opens up potentially new possibilities, and best of all, the whole theme complements well with their multimedia device tag for their N series, and their new music and gaming solutions recently announced obviously took advantge (even if just a little bit) of the 16m screen. But Nokia has been at the forefront of pushing new tech into mobile phones.. Just hope their shunning of UIQ won't hurt them because UIQ is the only Smartphone platform able to challenge Windows Mobile in the PDA phone fight. Hopefully, SE wakes up, and positions the P series with UIQ in the same market as WM6.0. Just hope good old Dr McSoft don't flex his muscles and crush UIQ.
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