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Delphi

14-02-2004, 15:50

kristof.vanriet - The 9500 was started several years ago but Nokia have been delaying again and again to get extra features in the device. It will still have a QWERTY keyboard and hence does not need the touch screen - which adds significant cost to an already expensive model. The 7700 has not keypad so you need a new MMI. Nokia has always believed in the CBA buttons of the original 9000 communicator and has remained loyal to this for many generations. Having seen an early version it was a 9210 with a smaller design, better keypad but no touch screen display. Having spoken with other that have seen later models this is still the same story.

Also, expect to see a completely new, and some would say radical, MMI (by this I mean the relationship between the keypad, UI and voice control) at CeBIT ? if Nokia decide to show it.

I am also confused why people are saying the 9500 will be 3G it is not, just EDGE, GPRS Class 10 and WIFI. A 3G model will come but not yet as Nokia has had some significant issues with implementing 3G on Symbian V7.0s and Series 60 - don't forget that Nokia uses a modified version of the Symbian OS to what Motorola has used in the A920 and A925. Perhaps this is why Nokia is so keen to push EDGE because it still has a poor story on 3G. It seems strange that after many years of talking about the mobile information society and pushing imaging and visual communications it is now saying that video conferencing is not needed !

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 15:51

Samsung and Sharp are working on special 3G handsets for Vodafone...the specifications for these are very very good w.r.t. camera/conferencing. However they will be much larger than the Nokias except the 9500.

note that video conferencing is feasable with EDGE and other technologies (see 7700). 3G needs more time to mature yet. Remember Nokia is responsible for building some of these networks, and it has full knowledge of what it is doing.

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 16:00

delphi -
nokia are right, videoconferencing is not needed, that is why many of its phones will not do "full 3g" but have wcdma. nokia do not want to bring out large bulky handsets as this will annoy its current customer base which is used to small functional phones with good RF. this has annoyed vodafone, which is now relying more on samsung/sharp to throw out more powerful handsets.

sebset

14-02-2004, 16:05

>Remember Nokia is responsible for building some of
>these networks, and it has full knowledge of what it is
>doing.

As far I know (but I may be wrong), the Nokia Network Division was dumped by Vodafone last year. They lost a big contract...

And the Carphonewarehouse's CEO said about Nokia that if they not puch quickly more performant 3G handsets, they will lost signifiant market shares against Asian manufacturers (Nec, etc..)

ivansergei

14-02-2004, 16:06

Gaurav311
The fact you confirmed that THERE IS a new communicator on the way made my day!!!
Thank you for posting!

P.s. One more thing: 9500 will be announced on CeBIT or at Cannes?

sebset

14-02-2004, 16:12

ivansergei

On march, 25 in Finland HQ I presume... This should be a massive launch for 2004.

ivansergei

14-02-2004, 16:15

:-( Hard to wait till March. Thought it was on Febr23rd at Cannes...
Anyway, this is good news ..

Delphi

14-02-2004, 16:32

Video conferencing may or may not be needed but failure to support it is opening the way for Asia vendors to come in to Europe. Look at what Samsung has already done to Nokia in forcing it to start launching clamshell handsets (more to be announced at CeBIT - low end and Series 60 model). Nokia had been developing prototypes for years but did not want to bring them to market.

Now it is late with Videoconferencing in 3G and once again the Asia players are gaining market share. Nokia has lost a lot of market share in Europe this year and will lose more if it does not start to play Samsung, LG, NEC, Sharp at their own game. I believe someone mentioned Carphone Warehouse this is a great example as Nokia used to be 70% of thier handset sales, now it is less than 50%. Of course it would be nice to see a European handset vendor gain market share but sadly this does not look like it will happen. Still less share for Nokia and more for others should drive innovation which is good for all of us that love phones.

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 16:39

feb 23 too early for 9500.
Nokia have a good idea of what they are doing. Most of the early 3G handsets by the other manufacturers will not be as small and reliable as Nokia's EDGE handsets. 3G is not that important. It will not catch on until Nokia wants it to.

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 16:48

delphi -
nokia gained market share this year. Now almost 40%. vodafone are being negative about nokia because they have large contracts with others and it is natural for them to be optimistic about those other handsets. I think Nokia will retain their market share. For one, most manufacturers still need to improve RF & UI significantly to even compete with older Nokia handsets, let alone what's coming out later this year.

Full-on 3G assault from Nokia will begin 2004 Q4/2005 Q1 or later. There is no need for them to hurry. Most consumers care/knowlittle about 3G services. (example - '3' has been out in UK for year now and constantly lost money - for every NEC '3' handset that sells, Nokia sell 100 GSM handsets - GSM, not even EDGE).

Delphi

14-02-2004, 17:27

gaurav311 - you are making some interesting comments which I don't agree with.

Nokia RF is far from the best and this is well known within the indusrty. There are plenty of companies that have produced studies which confirm this. Interesting to note that Nokia fix the software so that even in no coverage they show 2 bars of signal strength.

40% share globally according to Nokia, not according to thrid party analysts like Gartner or many of the financial houses. With regards to Europe the GFK retail audit shows them falling from 55% in Jan 03 to 42% in Dec 03. Quite a significant loss of share and a trend that looks set to continue.

3 has introduced video to people and this is something UK and Italian consumers are talking about. The best selling handset on contract today in the UK is the Motorola A835 which I guess shows that when Mot or NEC ship 3G handsets they do sell. Of course Nokia sells a lot more GSM handsets but they are not number 1 in 3G and this is the future. EDGE - OK for France and Italy abut not happening in most of Europe but again Nokia is making noise here because its lacking in 3G.

With regards to size is about platforms and economies of Scale. Nokia played this gaming in GSM and gained 18 months lead on the market and overtook Motorola - which was arrogant about its position in the market. Now Nokia is arrogant and is letting others gain a lead. Mot and NEC are 12 months further down the learning curve. Have you seen the Mot announcements of the A1000 and V1000 these are a big leap forward as is the LG 8110 and 8120 handsets.

Nokia UI - I hear the Vodafone are doing just fine with LIve without Nokia's famous UI. This is an innovators Dilemma what makes you strong over time makes you weak. Nokia will cling to its UI as the world moves on - please series 40 uses page mode which is an old way of showing menu options - perhaps this is why Christian Lindholm has moved on.

Its not that I don't respect Nokia or think that they have a good idea of what is happening but I just believe that others have caught them up and in many areas passed them. To say 3G won't happen until Nokia wants it to is like those who said 2G would not catch on until Motorola entered the market. There are plenty of innovative companies in this market who are now in a position to offer new choices to consumers and to challenge Nokia.

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 17:39

Right now, the best thing Nokia can do is let the competition underestimate them, and that is what they are doing.
You have already seen most of Moto and Samsung's 3G designs, but what makes you think they will get these to the market before Nokia? What you will see is 2 or 3 well designed handsets from Nokia that will basically take over the entire market. If I had option of buying a 3G phone or a 8910i right now I would choose a 8910i.

If I have option of choosing between a 150gram 3G V1000 and a GSM/EDGE 90 gram Nokia 8800 that is more elegant and compact, and does what it needs to do better, I know what I would choose.

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 17:48

That said, by the time Moto delay their phone about 3 times, Nokia will have their proper 3G phones out too (Q1 2005). V1000 is a relatively large phone - as I have said, it is hard to judge from photos alone.

Delphi

14-02-2004, 17:55

Everyone has been late with 3G, Nokia, Mot, Samsung, LG, NEC - no one has shipped on time so it is all quite relative.

8800 is ok but I like to see what I am doing on the phone.

With regard to the A1000 and V1000 Motorola announced these products in China last week. I don't believe they are 150g but closer to 100g like the new LG 3G handsets.

Personally I think it is Nokia under estimating the competition not the other way round.

History is just repeating itself but the players are in different positions.

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 20:26

The 8800 display provides what's required and is quick. We're talking about phones here - Nokia have other products to cater for gadget lovers.

Delphi

14-02-2004, 21:21

its not the size of the display that counts but the resolution. I am simply saying that 128 x 128 does not provide the resolution for viewing images, playing games etc. If you look at the T610 it has a 1.9 inch display with 120 x 160 pixels while the Mot V300 has a 1.9 inch display with 176 x 220 pixels. I just think Nokia are choosing a poor resolution for the applications they are offering.

gaurav311

14-02-2004, 21:50

Currently I am using a T610 and a H4150 pda - I never use the screen on the T610 for much at all other than viewing my phonelist. I'd rather have a 8910i if I could afford one. 128x128 is sufficient. 8310 etc had ~80x46 pixel displays, and even that was sufficient (and actually much faster).

As I said, a distinction needs to be made between a mobile and a gadget-fest like a 6600. Nokia make different phones for different audiences.

Delphi

14-02-2004, 23:26

I guess we just differ in our needs. Do you work for Nokia ?

nils

15-02-2004, 02:07

Let's face it.
Probably the guys who buys it doesn't need it for Videocall etc. but for it's PDA functions!
For that money he could easily buy a 2nd phone with!
So why put WCDMA in it if WiFi and Bluetooth are enough for the target user?

[edit]
I was talking about the new communicator

sebset

15-02-2004, 09:29

gaurav311

>128x128 is sufficient

Perhaps for basic features such phonebook, SMS, etc. But I know that many developpers of wap and i-mode services haves problem with square screen. For exemple the Nokia 3200 with vodafone menus is terrible... Not enouph space on the screen to display all infos and icons.

It is a pitty from Nokia that they continue to launch high end products with 128x128 pixel screen in 2004.

My opinion is Nokia has difficulties to find suppliers of screen. Perhaps because Nokia isn't an Asia company... Or perhaps their research department started to imagin the 2004 product line two years ago when 128x128 screen was considered as the TOP of technology... is there something like a slowness with Nokia R&D?

I don't want to be negative but this is my though today. But perhaps when I will see the new product line I will change my opinion :)

McKinley

15-02-2004, 10:49

I think it will be difficult for you to change your mind concerning Nokia's display. 128x128 feels
just to old when almost all new high end products comes with display of at least 176x220.

gaurav311

16-02-2004, 02:26

128x128 is fine for phone use, and will feature on many more nokia models that are aimed at people who want fast functional phones with screens that can show the address book. There is absolutely no need to go higher than 128x128 for address books (to phone) and sms, which is 99% of what the phones are used for.

As I said, 6230 is an early blueprint, later models will use same screen and this will not lose nokia much sales. It will enable them to make the fastest and most compact phones on the market - something other companies are losing sight of.

Both SE and Nokia's mainstream models will be focused on EDGE and not 3G. Experimental 3G models will be announced, and more of that will come in 2005, no earlier.

Delphi

16-02-2004, 18:42

gaurav311 do you believe that most consumers will only want to use the basic features of the handset in the furure or do you think the market will follow the sames trends as in Japan.

Also, when you say Nokia will not lose market share with 128x128 what about operator requests who do not want 128x128 but are asking for 128x160 at a minimum. This is not just Vodafone, but T-Mobile, Orange, iMode alliance etc. This will impact Nokia - just look at their share of Vodafone LIVE. If Nokia is to maintain market share with 128x128 it will have to do so with more sales through pure distribution channels which means less subsidies on their handsets.

Nisse

16-02-2004, 19:41

Originally posted by sebset
ivansergei

On march, 25 in Finland HQ I presume... This should be a massive launch for 2004.

Are You sure about that date?

Nokia's official press calendar do look like this.

For the 3GSM and CEBIT:

Nokia has updated their Press Calendar (http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,324,00.html): Press Conference at the 3GSM World Congress 2004, Cannes, France on February 23, 2004 at 15:00 CET Press Conference at the CeBIT fair, Hannover, Germany on March 17, 2004 at 13:00 CETThis probably means that Nokia is going to announce new phones at both events. We can only guess at which of these two events the new Communicator will be announced.

sebset

17-02-2004, 05:47

gaurav311

>Experimental 3G models will be announced, and more of that will come in 2005, no earlier.$

Ok, but why Nokia decides today to introduce 3G phones for mass market with no support of 3G service? You said that 8800 and 8100 are 3G enabled and targeted for masses. But do you think users of these models will subscribe to 3G service in future? (e.g when vodafone will launch 3G in Europe this summer). Or perhaps Nokia uses "3G" more as a marketing point than real feature for the end user?

Something interesting to read: http://www.3gnewsroom.com/3g_news/feb_04/news_4195.shtml

Nokia 7600 doing the business for 3UK
February 16, 2004

Early indications suggest that the Nokia 7600 is pulling in customers for 3UK. The Financial Times reported that sales of handsets for 3 have shot up dramatically following the introduction of the handset in the Carphone Warehouse.

3UK decided not to sell the 7600 themselves because the phone does not support all of 3's service and have allowed Carphone Warehouse to sell the phone on their behalf.

The Nokia 7600 has become one of Carphone Warehouse's best selling phones. Chief executive Charles Dunstone said the company had ambitious sales targets for the Nokia 7600 but sales are well ahead of those targets. He expects the phone to continuing selling at around 5,000 units each week. 3's current Motorola A835 handset is only selling about 3,000 a week.

The Nokia 7600 is lighter than previous 3G handsets available in the UK but it does not support one of 3's most important feature, video calling. The odd looking handset is also smaller in size and comes with a longer battery life. Although users buying the handset would be signing up to 3's network, some of the premium services from the operator will not available for Nokia 7600 users. :down: This shows that consumers in the UK, which has a legion of Nokia loyalists, are still more interested in the handsets rather than the service, something that operators such as 3 and Vodafone are keen to address.

gaurav311

19-02-2004, 00:13

Is it not obvious from that article how much power Nokia has? Many of their new phones will just be EDGE ones (like T650) and will still sell lots of them. Videocalling will become popular earliest 2005, and Nokia will have handsets ready then only for this purpose. That is why they might not yet show 7620, maybe later. 8800 and 8100 will be EDGE as far as I know, NOT 3G. I mistyped earlier as WCDMA, apologies.

Basically, CeBit:

EDGE - T650, Sony Ze, 8100, 8800, fashion 6230 (to be marketed as music phone, 7xxx range), variations on the Nokia Communicator 9500 + more Cebit.

No P900 successor at Cebit.

Symbian P900 successor and another Symbian Nokia (fashion series 60) later in the year. Nokia dualcams xmas 2004 earliest.

nils

19-02-2004, 16:51

gaurav311
Me agree!

Another reason for non 3G handsets is the fact there is just only one 3G supplier in Europe!
The others will follow at the end of this summer so no need to present or produce 3G phone for the mass!

McKinley

19-02-2004, 18:38

I don't think Nokia will gain anymore.
Even the hardest Nokia fan must face the truth that there are more than just one manufacture in business.
Nokia can't keep producing handsets which will win all your hearts. Samsung is going to surpass and other manufactures will catch up on Nokia when people understand that there are more than just Nokias out there for sale..

nils

19-02-2004, 21:22

Originally posted by McKinley
I don't think Nokia will gain anymore.
Even the hardest Nokia fan must face the truth that there are more than just one manufacture in business.
Nokia can't keep producing handsets which will win all your hearts. Samsung is going to surpass and other manufactures will catch up on Nokia when people understand that there are more than just Nokias out there for sale..

it's not all just about technology!
look at the old days (1 or 2 yrs ago).

Top models:
Siemens SL45, Nokia 9110 (9210?)

Mass sales:
Nokia 8310, 3310

So only the gadget freak will have eyes for the technology but we are maybe 10% of the public....
The others will buy the phone what their friends, husband or collegue prefer and those phones will be easy to use phones and a lot of customisable for the user.
That's why 3310 and 8310 became a hit...
[excluded bussines phones]

Though almost everything became standard now and even with the cheapest phones out now you can get a coloured wallpaper or polyfonic ringtone!
But due to the name Nokia has gained alot of the old 3310/8310 users will pick up at 6610 or 7210/7250.
And if Nokia can satisfie the old 3310/8310 users with their new models not many will switch or see an advantage in a switch to another brand [speaking for the mass public!!]

gaurav311

20-02-2004, 18:15

That is exactly what Nokia expect to do with 3100 and 8100. It is a risk though, especially with SE's new line up.

draak 1

20-02-2004, 19:12

What do you know about the line up from SE?

Is somthing what Nokia worry about it what SE line up?

Greetings from Draak 1

gaurav311

21-02-2004, 07:33

it is unpredictable, both companies may have alternate designs on stand-by. If nokia sees that SE has more feature rich phones and people really are interested in those, then it will release the alternate designs to compete. depending on how rushed this is, it could save them or it could be a disaster.

nokia designs hundreds of handsets that never see the market in the end, simply because current models are doing fine. It is naive to think that Nokia make phones that are old-tech because they do not know how to use new tech. If 7250i sells more than E700, why release the 7310 with TFT screen yet? Why not make maximum profit on 7250i? In practise that is what happens.

My overall point is, if SE pushes Nokia to release crazy-good stuff, then Nokia will not just sit there, it will release the crazy-good stuff :) Either way compeition from other makers is good.

I think nokia has more power than any of the operators, including vodafone, and it will take several years to bring this down. Samsung releases are too infrequent and indistinct to take away market share in the way vodafone might want. SE is the biggest threat I think, especially in mainstream mid-market, and Nokia needs to by worried about them. Sony have the best design talent in the world for these things (T630 vs 6230, P900 vs 6600), and design is what a lot of people look at. Even in features SE is currently leader.

I can see the appeal of 8800 being metal, elegant, prestigious etc, but against a T810 it really does not stand a chance :) It will be interesting to see how Nokia can respond longterm to SE.

My prediciton is that SE will be number 1 in 5 years..

sebset

21-02-2004, 13:19

gaurav311

>My prediciton is that SE will be number 1 in 5 years..

and Samsung?

kristof.vanriet

23-02-2004, 17:07

SE is a very tiny player on the mobile marked, i think they have what about 5-8 % of the marked, please... that's nothing against the 38 % of nokia...
There is more chance that Samsung will take over the marked because they use the same principles of nokia business... But Samsung isn't really inventive, they buy and look to other players like Nokia, SE, LG, etc...

And then you have HelloMoto: Motorola is very popular in America, but in Azia and Europe they are way down...
So i think that in future it will be like this
2005 - 2006
1. Nokia 30%
2. Samsung 25%
3. Siemens or/and Motorola 15%
4. Sony Ericsson 10 %

kristof.vanriet

23-02-2004, 17:13

and just two other thing, your talking about mobile phones here:
A phone has to be in balance, what if you had an 265K screen but a battery life of just one day normal use?
or you have the latest 3G phone with full mp3/mpg/streaming audio and video with a tft screen and even a standby time of 250h but it's a brick doesn't fit your pocked?

And secondly a company is a company,
If you have a company, you'll have to understand that you gonna have to make profit... A company with ciffres in red doesn't do very well...
You aren't working for fun (or for free) do you?, you also wanna have some bread on the table when you going home...
it's the first year SE made a profit this year in a very long time,
if Sony didn't bought a part the mobile phone department, nobody was talking about SE at this moment...
And so, what's wrong about making money???

gaurav311

24-02-2004, 05:36

The nokia brand is starting to look tired now. The have made the mistake of building too many poor handsets instead of a few good ones. T610 alone last year challenged most of Nokia and did well, and it is expected SE will take this further by releasing their new handsets at Cebit, which will make the 6230 look quite nasty in comparison. New SE handsets will be very powerful, and only really Nokia 8100+ can challenge those, and are not as good really (but smaller, maybe more elegant, can't say till I have held final products in my hand).

In the smartphone area (important because these technologies then filter down into mid range later), Sony has a clear lead (Yes, P1000 will be out same time as Nokia 9500 and be smaller and more technically capable). Samsung have their niche of clamshells w/TFTs at the moment, but once other companies catch on with making those Samsung wil start to lose appeal.

Rogger

24-02-2004, 16:25

@gaurav311, Delphi (and others)

How about the announcement yesterday of Nokia and Vodafone increasing their bonds?

Also, I was wondering, does anyone have any more news about the upcoming Nokia models (8100, 8800, "fashion 6230")? Am I correct when I say both 8100 and 8800 will not have a camera? How would they compare to the soon to be released 6230?
Any notes on their memory, mmc-cards maybe?

gaurav311

24-02-2004, 18:20

Half of the new Nokias will be 6230 in different chassis.
1 camera on those ones. Also some experimental 3G models with 2 cameras, but Im not sure if Nokia want to show those ones yet. It is difficult to release too much more detail.

Rogger

24-02-2004, 20:20

I understand. You might compromise your situation if you reveal too much...
If you can, please by all means do, since I'm very interested and I suppose I'm not the only one. If you can't, well, I couldn't blame you.
The numbers are correct? There will be an 8100 and an 8800 soon?

gaurav311

24-02-2004, 20:33

Yes.
Working titles are 8100 and 8800. Depending on Nokias marketing dept. decisions, they may change (esp the 8800 to 8990 or something, 8100 will stick I think). They are very interesting handsets, and will keep Nokia on top for a bit longer :)

orange

25-02-2004, 15:05

Originally posted by gaurav311
Yes.
Working titles are 8100 and 8800.
As far as I know, Nokia doesn't use numbers as working titles. Trying to bullshit us, maybe...?

gaurav311

25-02-2004, 23:43

The phones have to be given names by the marketing department at an early stage. I suggest you wait and see.

Madoxx

26-02-2004, 03:40

For example: working name of 9230 is Morpheus...:p

orange

26-02-2004, 12:30

Originally posted by gaurav311
The phones have to be given names by the marketing department at an early stage. I suggest you wait and see.
I don't think so and even if they would do that they won't most certainly give those to outside.

orange

26-02-2004, 12:34

Originally posted by Madoxx
For example: working name of 9230 is Morpheus...:p
There's no such thing as 9230. If you mean 6230, there was a picture in the web which showed the name of the 6230 and it wasn't Morpheus.

Madoxx

26-02-2004, 16:55

Originally posted by orange
There's no such thing as 9230. If you mean 6230, there was a picture in the web which showed the name of the 6230 and it wasn't Morpheus.

I apologize for overstrike...;) I meant of course 6230.

Morpheus is working name of US version 6230 (850/1800/1900 GSM).

Here is proof:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=398573&native_or_pdf=pdf

gaurav311

28-02-2004, 06:24

well, orange, you are free to verify when they release the Nokia 8100 along with the other models I mentioned. You can also verify my information on the SE phones and also on the Communicator earlier (I said it was not 3G, plastic, no camera, various other things that were true - check my posts).

mardemi

29-02-2004, 05:02

Inside Nokia, phones are given code names, the actual number is decided later. The 7210 for example was Vanessa.

gaurav311

29-02-2004, 05:29

Well, yes I know that. But a short time before announcement marketing gives them the numerical model number. 7210 wasn't announced as "Vanessa" at Cebit. I should have said "marketing model name" instead of "working name" if that's clearer.

orange

29-02-2004, 15:42

Originally posted by gaurav311
...and also on the Communicator earlier (I said it was not 3G, plastic, no camera, various other things that were true - check my posts).
Communicator was pretty easy to guess. Some people get it almost right already half an year ago. And BTW. Communicator has camera... But it's only a couple of weeks to Cebit, so we'll see...

Originally posted by gaurav311
Well, yes I know that. But a short time before announcement marketing gives them the numerical model number. 7210 wasn't announced as "Vanessa" at Cebit. I should have said "marketing model name" instead of "working name" if that's clearer
As I said earlier, I'm pretty sure that they don't give the actual model numbers to outside until very close to launch.

fannypad

04-03-2004, 03:15

guarav, the new Communicator, as others have said, does indeed have a VGA camera. Maybe in your own special world it doesn't.

And you do tend to talk an extraordinary amount of rubbish in these forums. "Working title numbers given by marketing department"? You what?

Anyway, like you say, we'll see once the phones are actually announced.

gaurav311

07-03-2004, 17:43

i meant wcdma dual cameras. there was a fake picture in this forum that had camera on screen side. of course it has the usual vga cam on the back. read my full original post.

orange

17-03-2004, 14:17

Originally posted by gaurav311
The phones have to be given names by the marketing department at an early stage. I suggest you wait and see.
Ou brother, where are thou. Meaning 8100, 8800 and fashion 6230 you mentioned that will be launched at Cebit. You also mentioned fashion Series 60 to be launched later this year... Well, 7610.

Originally posted by gaurav311
Basically, CeBit:

EDGE - T650, Sony Ze, 8100, 8800, fashion 6230 (to be marketed as music phone, 7xxx range), variations on the Nokia Communicator 9500 + more Cebit.

Symbian P900 successor and another Symbian Nokia (fashion series 60) later in the year.

sebset

17-03-2004, 14:57

gaurav311

>I suggest you wait and see.

When?? Next Nokia press conference in June?

kristof.vanriet

17-03-2004, 15:22

or press update later this month march the 25th
the Annual general meeting...

Rogger

17-03-2004, 15:29

Maybe Nokia doesn't want to announce more than one phone at a time. They might not want to steal their own thunder.

satsuma

17-03-2004, 15:40

Or Gaurav got it wrong.

No shame in that.

Possibly he has seen/ heard discussions of prototypes and passed on this info.

BTW, 7610 is a fantastic spec for Q2:D
Leaves poor old SE looking decidedly jaded:insane:

sebset

17-03-2004, 17:45

Fact: still not any successors of 7210/50 and 8910...

kristof.vanriet

17-03-2004, 22:18

sebset
there are a lot of other trade shows comming... let's wait and see...
there is one comming, i can see it, i can feel it, i can...
:)

gaurav311

18-03-2004, 02:01

I'm not sure why Nokia held back. There are at least 3 phones I have seen and none of them shown (these are almost complete phones and *will* be released this year). I had the white version of this "7610" earlier and the keypad was different to the leaked photo shown online, so I assumed it was a mock up. The black cover looks like that photo now though - keypad doesn't match up but similar so I guess it was a real leak.

This phone is incredibly slim and Nokia have made the menus faster than 6600. It looks nasty compared to 8100 however, which they really should have shown - My guess is they don't want to make the 7610 look comparitavely ugly on launch.

K700 has obviously caused Nokia to change strategy - 8100 display could possibly seen as embarassing in comparison. I would imagine their 8910i successor 8xxx will still be released to that market though (who dont care about screen/camera).

What I can say is that Nokia definiately have more right now than they are showing..

gaurav311

18-03-2004, 02:03

orange - nokia have obviously reshuffled their line up a bit to respond to sony ericsson's K700. The phones I mentioned will still all be released this year, I know that for definite.

gaurav311

18-03-2004, 02:04

unless they cancel them on basis of 128x128 display! The 8100 is too small to take Series60 display, but I really doubt they'll cancel the launch still.

bu_7assooon

18-03-2004, 05:55

@gaurav311
But are u sure that they canceled the introduction of the 8100 becasue of K700....I mean they are not aimed at the same market...k700 is more for the youth..and also I think the 8100 might have a higher price because of its size...

orange

18-03-2004, 07:27

Originally posted by gaurav311

What I can say is that Nokia definiately have more right now than they are showing..
Nokia has a lot of phones under development, that's for sure. And that is why it's pretty easy to guess what's coming since atleast one of the guesses will be pretty close to some phone which is under development right now and will be introduced some time in the future.

Just put in the general features that phones have now and say something vague about the desing and voila we have a phone.... :)

gaurav311

21-03-2004, 03:46

orange
saying that they will be very small 128x models with a thin keypad like 8910 and have faster menus & vga camera and be flashy isn't "vague". Neither was I being "vague" when I described K700's E100 menus, that it wont have memory card (unlike eldar said), and made it clear that there would be TWO new main sony's. Granted, I mentioned earlier names and those changed later, but I think I made enough points clear.

gaurav311

21-03-2004, 03:48

Also K700 is by no means a youth model - it's like a T610, aimed at many markets.

Jasondefaoite

22-03-2004, 12:03

Originally posted by gaurav311
orange
Neither was I being "vague" when I described K700's E100 menus,

Are you kidding me? One post you are saying it doesnt have E100, the next it does. Then E100 can install apps, now it can't.

Ya if you give both sides of the story, you have a 50% chance of being correct.

Its understandable if the information changes, or the phone is delayed, ya I'll buy into that, but giving contradicting information with a day apart, nah sorry. :down:

gaurav311

22-03-2004, 15:05

Please show us where I stated E100 can install apps - I said I was not sure - because it cannot like symbian, but it can do java etc, so technically it could. Anyway, I did not say it can.
The low end T650 model does NOT have E100, the K700 does - that is what I said, please re-read. T650 was a upgraded T630 that was not shown. S700 I mentioned seperately as a new line.
Please read posts properly, I will not be defending any others uneccessarily.

Jasondefaoite

22-03-2004, 18:03

Originally posted by deuxani
So you CAN install programs on E100?

Originally posted by gaurav311
I am not sure, but would think yes.

Originally posted by gaurav311
In case you haven't noticed, eldar has mentioned both phones in a recent article. He got the name of the T670 wrong of course :) So just to re-iterate: T650, NO memstick, No E100, very soon.

T800 = The one you are all waiting for. (sept like eldar has stated). And also, you have all seen the T330 already, you just don't know it :)

Originally posted by gaurav311
I cannot say anything else about these phones, other than that E100 will be used (6600-level functionality) on T650

Unfortunately it seems I read your posts only too well. PLease read through the se T650 & T710 thread and show me where you mention K700 having E100 and T650 not having it?