Sony Ericsson W960i - Official thread

[Super Chimp]

Here you go.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=global&lc=en&ver=4001&template=pp1_1_1&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10908

[mustafabay]

This is UIQ, right? Wrong section ;) We need pics too.

[Super Chimp]

This is UIQ, right? Wrong section ;) We need pics too.

I think your right hopefully the MODS will move this thread.

[TheAncientMariner]

Pic:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/images/spgd/GPD_46193high_27_0_4001.jpg

i'm loving the design of this.

[chlettn]

Really nice - the screen should have been bigger though imho (looks like there would have been room). Still looks leaps and bounds better than the P1 imho.

Any pics of the back?

[Mweb]

Easy mistake to make superchimp, were in the right place now, agree with chlettn really.

[arne123]

This is so my next phone.
2.6" screen, WIFI, 8gb memory, 3.2 mpixel camera,
Size: 109 x 55 x 16 mm
Weight: 119 grams

why bother getting the K850 ?!? :)

BRAVO!

[Super Chimp]

Easy mistake to make superchimp, were in the right place now, agree with chlettn really.

Thanks. Sorry about that.:beer:

Even better than the P1, easily the best featured & best designed SE smartphone in a long time. According to what was indicated on AAS it has 30fps QVGA unlike the P1.

[SonyLover]

OMG, I'm shocked, this phone is GREAT. Design + specs :love: :love:

Here the lovely and official live pics :cool:

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/17329/2004158786543172524_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004158786543172524)

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/17329/2004167140173070473_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004167140173070473)

http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/18235/2004187606891768440_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004187606891768440)

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/17869/2004139974574661493_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004139974574661493)

http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/17660/2004162922262375879_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004162922262375879)

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/17979/2003851262253251491_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003851262253251491)

http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/16921/2003807421624565371_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003807421624565371)

[chlettn]

SE Germany (http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=de&lc=de&ver=4000&template=pc3_1_1&zone=pc&lm=pc3&prid=8124) mentions a price of 799?'s for it - a little bit steep imho :eek:

Die unverbindliche Preisempfehlung (ohne Vertrag) liegt bei 799,- Euro.

[Super Chimp]

SE Germany (http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=de&lc=de&ver=4000&template=pc3_1_1&zone=pc&lm=pc3&prid=8124) mentions a price of 799?'s for it - a little bit steep imho :eek:

Better not be!:eek: I sometimes wonder about the price of SE smartphones!

[**^ramintop^**]

im crying from happiness lol,this is the most amazing SE ever,this will really bring the glory back to SE,they included almost everything,you can never feel you are missing something,this phone is too much!!!!!!!!!! i :love: SE

[SonyLover]

More pics (sorry I could not add more in my previous post):

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/17543/2003834926896876686_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003834926896876686)

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/18707/2006022716530053677_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006022716530053677)

http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/18790/2006021234649382686_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2006021234649382686)

[Divoon]

Its really neat.
And it comes bundled with a Stereo Bluetooth headset! sweet

[SonyLover]

im crying from happiness lol,this is the most amazing SE ever,this will really bring the glory back to SE,they included almost everything,you can never feel you are missing something,this phone is too much!!!!!!!!!! i :love: SE

I feel exactly the same way :D

But the price is too high, hopes it drops quickly :)

[Super Chimp]

SonyLover thanks for those pictures. Don't know about other people but it reminds me of the W810 from the back.

[sidneylopsides]

Design looks good. wondering about the screen, it doesn't look like the old pressure based screen like the current ones, it looks more like a capacitive one like the Prada etc, but it still has a stylus (not shown used in any shots too).

[saliquincer]

walkman player 3.0 :D
http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/16921/2003807421624565371_rs.jpg

also it's called PSP2 :lol: :love:
http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/17543/2003834926896876686_rs.jpg

oww.. this is one the best SE phones ever ... so gorgeous! :up:
http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/17329/2004158786543172524_rs.jpg

[Super Chimp]

Design looks good. wondering about the screen, it doesn't look like the old pressure based screen like the current ones, it looks more like a capacitive one like the Prada etc, but it still has a stylus (not shown used in any shots too).


Yes though I spotted the jog dial I didn't spot that. To be honest with a reasonable keyboard like that they could have done a Z8 & dropped the TS.

By the way what exactly does Walkman 3.0 offer extra over 2.0?

[marwan74]

the W960 looks awesome, but.....WHERE IS THE D-PAD??? DON'T TELL ME IT HAS THAT STUPID JOG DIAL THING....NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :(

[SonyLover]

OFFICIAL INFO:

The Sony Ericsson
W960 Walkman? Phone

Store more
Up to 700* albums and PC-to-phone transfer of 1GB in less than 3 minutes

Touch and play
Navigate the latest Walkman? player with touch of a finger or stylus

Explore more
Surf the Web via Wi-Fi? or at 3G speed and watch videos in TV quality

Music marathon
Up to 700 albums - around 8000 songs* - can be stored on the 8GB memory of the W960 Walkman? phone. Managing tracks is easy and it can transfer up to 1GB of data, including music tracks, from your PC to the phone in less than three minutes. With two stylish headsets supplied in the box (one of these the new Stereo Bluetooth? Headset HBH-DS220) and a music listening time of up to 27 hours, you?re free to dance much more than the night away.

Visual feast
Album arts, TV shows and games. You can navigate the W960 and browse media files with the touch of a finger (or stylus). Just press the touch controls to find your way to whatever type of entertainment you need. If video is your choice, the phone supports video playback at 30 frames per second, which is the same as TV quality

Go Wireless
The 2.6? touch-sensitive display is great for Web browsing. Hook up to the Web using the 3G network or a Wi-Fi? access point. Visit your favourite pages, buy music online, and download new programmes to make the W960 truly yours.

Performance photos
To catch the fun, the W960 Walkman? phone boasts a 3.2 megapixel camera within its 16mm frame. Auto focus makes your photos sharper, and with picture messaging or email you can share them instantly. Another way to spread the word ? or photos ? is to post them on your own blog site.

Sort it out
As with the W910 Walkman? phone, you can organize all of your content for the W960 using Media Manager PRO, a PC programme for optimizing music, photos and videos to be used on your phone.

Wise up
As with earlier Walkman? phones, the W960 incorporates TrackID? music recognition software. This lets you record a clip of a song on your phone and find out instantly the name of the artist, track and album. Handy for those moments when you hear a song you like, but do not know who sings it.

On the W960 (and W910) this feature has been taken to the next level. You can now receive detailed information about the song identified ? the background of the artists and the album. New ways to search have been added in, other than just by capturing an audio clip. If you know a bands name and not much else, for example, you can text search to find out more. Search by artist, title, album or lyrics.

Listen up
The W960 Walkman? phone really is the centrepiece of your music listening life, which is why both a stereo portable handsfree and a Stereo Bluetooth? headset for music streaming are included with the phone. When you want more, the new Street-style Portable Handsfree HPM-83 adds urban style to the W960. Its flexible neckband gives a secure fit and wraps behind the head, so as not to get in the way if you?re running or at the gym. If you want to share your music library with friends, the Bluetooth? Music Receiver MBR-100 plugs into your home stereo and lets you stream tracks directly from the phone to your stereo?s speakers. Why keep it to yourself?

Nicklas Sivander, Product Manager for the W960 Walkman? phone, Sony Ericsson, sums it up: ?You couldn?t ask for a better music mix of high performance media player and intuitive phone. The touchscreen is complemented by a regular keyboard and the phone itself is amplified by the Media Manager programme and the many music accessories. The days of taking an MP3 player, a camera and a phone with you when you leave the house are definitely over.?

The Sony Ericsson W960 Walkman? phone is UMTS 2100-GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 and will be available in Vinyl Black from Q4 2007.

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SOME SPECS:


Size: 109 x 55 x 16 mm
Weight: 119 grams

Colour(s):
Vinyl Black

Screen: 262,144 colour TFT touchscreen
Resolution: 240 x 320 pixels
Size: 2.6 inches

Phone memory: Up to 8 GB
Memory card support: No

Talk time GSM/UMTS: Up to 9 hours /3 hours

Standby time GSM/UMTS: Up to 370 hours/300 hours
Video call time: Up to 2 hours
Music listening time: Up to 25 hours
Networks:
W960i: UMTS 2100-GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900


In-Box:

Battery
Charger
USB cable
Stereo Bluetooth? Headset
HBH-DS220
Stereo Portable Handsfree HPM-70
Protective Pouch
Spare stylus
Media Manager Pro PC programme
PC synchronization programme
User guide

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Walkman? Touch player
Bluetooth stereo (A2DP)
Mega Bass?
Music tones (MP3/AAC)
PlayNow?
TrackID?
RSS feeds
Polyphonic ringtones
FM radio with RDS
WLAN
Web browser
Vibrating alert
Video calling
Email
Microsoft? Exchange ActiveSync?
Document editors
Document readers
Handwriting recognition
Touchscreen
Bluetooth? technology
Picture messaging (MMS)
Predictive text input
Sound recorder
Picture wallpaper
Wallpaper animation
3D games
Java
Video streaming
Video viewing
Alarm clock
Calculator
Calendar
Flight mode
Notes
Stopwatch


Super Chimp, it does not have Walkman 3.0
It has Walkman Touch Player ;)

[Jo]

i love the design i love glossy black... they had to ruin it with the price and not adding the 850mhz band!... its overpriced even more than the iphone!

[saliquincer]

also its a good answer for iphone ... june the black month of apple. :D

[Super Chimp]

No ordinary headphone socket? Tut, tut SE!!!

[love murder]

how much is it going to be?

[Itachi]

Really nice - the screen should have been bigger though imho (looks like there would have been room). Still looks leaps and bounds better than the P1 imho.

Any pics of the back?

Its 2.6 inches what more do you want? lol

Overall looks really nice though. Someone on Esato claims to have it already and says its 15fps QVGA for video capture.

Only thing missing is the lens cover.

[indup]

real looker of a phone

[Bouvin]

what do u need headphone socket for, its stereo bluetooth...ipod is so not takng over europe..

[chlettn]

No ordinary headphone socket? Tut, tut SE!!!

That's my biggest con against this right now too - SE seems to be learning (microSD in the K850), but only sloooooowly unfortunately. So, maybe we'll see an internal 3.5mm connector in 2 years or so? :D

[Znox]

well... awesome phone no question... in all ways.. but not the price.. 799€????
the same price as a n95?? oh lord have mercy.... only because of a 3.2cam an touchscreen? damn... oho not thats to much.. i was expecting something like max. 400€ and 350€ the k850i.... simply to high... 500€ would be high.. 800€ is fu***** high.... and with contract here in europe stills 300€ to go.... so as the n95 class device.. really sucks.. i wasnt expecting this price....

[Robot]

WOW, a real WOW, so great phone, out side & inside.

[chlettn]

the same price as a n95??

You can have a sim-free N95 for 630€'s right now (here in Austria, at least)...at the time the W960 comes out, it will probably be cheaper than 550€'s I guess.

But then again, 799€'s is only the MSRP of the W960, so the street-price will probably be lower than that right from the start...

[Znox]

well let us hope so chlettn

[Super Chimp]

You can have a sim-free N95 for 630?'s right now (here in Austria, at least)...at the time the W960 comes out, it will probably be cheaper than 550?'s I guess.

But then again, 799?'s is only the MSRP of the W960, so the street-price will probably be lower than that right from the start...

Better be or it's going to under sell!

[saliquincer]

No ordinary headphone socket? Tut, tut SE!!!
we used to live with SE ports & headset inputs ... :)

[Dreadnought]

A nice phone from SE, I might seriously consider it. :) What I miss is 3,5mm jack, microUSB and proper speakers, lens cover, oh and the price could be lower... Otherwise nice, let's see how the audio matches up with the good old N91 8G. :jump:

[sassafras]

insanely clean design, probably the nicest looking phone of the ones announced today (w910 is also quite sexy-looking).

hmmm, choosing my next phone will not be easy if this is released within a few months.

[SonyLover]

That's my biggest con against this right now too - SE seems to be learning (microSD in the K850), but only sloooooowly unfortunately. So, maybe we'll see an internal 3.5mm connector in 2 years or so? :D

Why 3.5mm connector is better? Can you explain please?

[saliquincer]

w910 is also quite sexy-looking
yes, W960 preexisting covered the beauty and style of W910. '
it's completely a Nippo phone. (sony)

[chlettn]

Why 3.5mm connector is better? Can you explain please?

Are you serious?

[Soji]

W960 video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xAQqEIeLSM

[saliquincer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SonyLover
Why 3.5mm connector is better? Can you explain please?

Are you serious?
surely 3.5 mm jack is better ... but then no one going for extra accesorries. (headsets , speakers, ... )

[Divoon]

whats the video recording QVGA @ 30 fps(I hope) ?!

[sidneylopsides]

Looks great this one :)

[iqtidar]

bye bye n95... w960 is so hot

[Super Chimp]

we used to live with SE ports & headset inputs ... :)

Things have moved on since then. ;)

[SonyLover]

surely 3.5 mm jack is better ... but then no one going for extra accesorries. (headsets , speakers, ... )

But WHY is it better? Better audio quality? Less cables? :insane:

[Super Chimp]

But WHY is it better? Better audio quality? Less cables? :insane:

It's just more logical, why have an adaptor when you can just plug your normal headphones straight into your phone.:spy:

[sidneylopsides]

Super Chimp, so you can have a remote control and display? :p

[SonyLover]

It's just more logical, why have an adaptor when you can just plug your normal headphones straight into your phone.:spy:

Yeah, and that's a VERY good reason for not buying music phone :eyes:

And I know that too (it's logical). I was asking if it's a REAL reason why 3.5mm is better, and it seems there is not :)

[iqtidar]

It's just more logical, why have an adaptor when you can just plug your normal headphones straight into your phone.

but u cant talk on it, can u?

[chlettn]

I was asking if it's a REAL reason why 3.5mm is better, and it seems there is not

You're just too blinded by the SE tag, really. If it had a 3.5mm jack, you'd be praising it...

Really, how can you not see the convenience of a 3.5mm jack? Just one example: if your headsets die (and that is really just a question of time), you have to either buy expensive SE ones again (with the remote, because they don't offer substitutes for the headset part only) or live with a 2.5m long cable with normal headphones. Great :eyes:

And yes, for me that is pretty much a killer for a music phone...

[indup]

I feel exactly the same way :D

But the price is too high, hopes it drops quickly :)

no its the price thats making him cry.

[DUNGA]

I'm finding it hard to believe that this phone will exist, just amazing...

The price is amazing too(if I had a couple of oil fields)... :)

[saliquincer]

DUNGA, hey! ;)
no high-end clamshell :D but new phones are promising ...

[SuccessCre8or]

SonyLover, me tooooo
i cant concentrate in typing bcoz of the gre8 surprise my next fone if i have the cash :)

is there a 3.5 jack IN THE PHONE ??? :confused:

[Soldier]

really great phoneeeeee

[indup]

SonyLover, me tooooo
i cant concentrate in typing bcoz of the gre8 surprise my next fone if i have the cash :)

sounds like se give you a good phone but theyll skin you dry for it.

[SuccessCre8or]

cant wait 2 know the price .... really cant get up off my pc :D

[SuccessCre8or]

by the way ....whats the video recording resolution of this phone ...?
anyone?

[a[B][i]s]

some custom headphones can produce better sound than bundled SE one also the connector jack of SE starts making problems with connectivity after a year or so. but a beautiful great phone.. hats off to SE for this one but i would love to see the come back of nokia against this one. this is going to take a long time to launch untill than nokia will pull some trick it always does to get back the attention of his consumers

[Gandomani]

Good camera, no flash?

[knights]

great phone.... good design, good features too.... i wonder what will be the music quality? hope they fix the equalizer, having it tweakable by users... and also making the max. loudness louder than w950.... a very nice phone indeed...

no flash?

it has a flash....



[i]s"]this is going to take a long time to launch untill than nokia will pull some trick it always does to get back the attention of his consumers

same thoughts.... hope theyll release it soon...

[Viipottaja]

SL, to answer your question: yes, because you need less cables :)

Fantastic design! Price a bit high but with the streoheadset and 8GB not completely outrageous, I would say. Video quality and the lack of 3.5mm jack seem the biggest minuses.

[Jo]

now i found why i liked it, it have the same glossy plastic of the n72 i gorgeous phone i never could have because the lack the 850band
SonyLover, there is, if not why not all the mp3 player would have a non standard one. ;)

[marvin]

But WHY is it better? Better audio quality? Less cables? :insane:

If you had used one of those better in-canal earphones from the likes of Sennheiser, Shure, A4Tech, etc, you'd be pinning for 3.5mm jacks.

At any rate, I'm just glad there's are 3.5mm headphone adapters for SE. Coz that's what I'm using right now with the P990i and w900i. Also, glad to know SE is bundling a $120 A2DP earphone with it. I just hope it's quality is as good as their wired HPM-70 and 80 which are really not as good as those 3.5mm jack earphones I mentioned. Regardless, I'd still be using my current earphone with adapter on it.

Great design by the way. Look so much like those photoshop designs I've seen lately. Might be my next SE phone. Definitely neater, simpler and solid looking than an N95. Does it have TV out? The SE site said you get "TV quality" video playback. Because I don't see the merits of watching TV quality (640 x 480) video on a 2.6" screen, unless you plan to connect to a TV. Like the N95 and iPod video.

Just noted the jog dial on it - great navigating tool, if only it was the same 5-way as the P900/P910i, it would be perfect.

And I agree with the other poster that its screen could have been larger - 2.8" or 3". Currently I have no compaints watching QVGA high bitrate video on a UIQ smartphone with the largest screen available internationally. So other than its support for animated wallpaper and bundled A2DP earphone, there's little incentive for me to plunge into it right away. But maybe in six months. :D Hopefully the price has settled a bit more affordably by then too.

Also the pics on the back looks like it has 2 LED flash. The specs are silent on this. Does it have flash?

[Jo]

marvin, the ipod video is 320x240 30fps... that in a LCD doesn't look so nice.. it have to be at least VGA

[PJ:]

Gorgeous phone. :love:

Expensive price.

Shame about the lack of 3.5mm jack :-/

[iqtidar]

Originally Posted by SonyLover
I feel exactly the same way

But the price is too high, hopes it drops quickly

no its the price thats making him cry.

to make the price drop, we dont buy it, then it'll drop...

[chokia]

Wait, No HSDPA?

[rss_ndrsn]

Can someone explain me why SE used Phillips Nexpheria graphics card on W960. I do not see any good about using it. GE Force 6600 could have been better.
I would not expect high quality video recording and multimedia playback on W960 because I know it would be just ok, far from being impressive.

[marvin]

Maybe because Sony and Philips are bedfellows for God know since. :D


marvin, the ipod video is 320x240 30fps... that in a LCD doesn't look so nice.. it have to be at least VGA

So does it have TV out?

to make the price drop, we dont buy it, then it'll drop...

Yup, let no one buy it and see what happens in 2 months. :D

[Gandomani]

great phone.... good design, good features too.... i wonder what will be the music quality? hope they fix the equalizer, having it tweakable by users... and also making the max. loudness louder than w950.... a very nice phone indeed...



it has a flash....





same thoughts.... hope theyll release it soon...


Um, there's a difference between a phone light and flash. I don't think this phone has flash.

[saliquincer]

Um, there's a difference between a phone light and flash. I don't think this phone has flash.
it's called flashlight. :)

[chokia]

Wait, no Wifi-g?

[marvin]

It has 3G and Wlan 802.11b.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_w960-2008.php

But like the m600i, it has no front camera for videocalls, or am I missing it?

[xkube]

this is probably the best SE announce this year. everything so far are big boink. lol.

love the design! looks like those latest sony walkman mp3! >.<

[difenbaker]

So is this right? ...... it has no flash, no HSDPA, no wifi 802.11G, and no 3.5mm jack?

Does it have EDGE support?

.... maybe it's not that different from the P1 after all, except that the p1 does have a FLASH.

:(

[nipun]

another vid showing the walkman 3 interface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILtexhk3n6M

[Divoon]

it has no front camera for videocalls, or am I missing it?

you missed it, It has one on the top left.

[iqtidar]

But like the m600i, it has no front camera for videocalls, or am I missing it?

i does have front cam.

So is this right? ...... it has no flash, no HSDPA, no wifi 802.11G, and no 3.5mm jack?

Does it have EDGE support?

got flash,3g,wifi-b dunno bout EDGE

[Super Chimp]

Super Chimp, so you can have a remote control and display? :p

You can have that on a normal headphone set too! :p

[sidneylopsides]

Super Chimp, but on a normal headphone you can't have a mic to use it for calls. :)

[Divoon]

No 850/No Edge no HSPDA. the leds on the back seem weired.
Any idea about the video recording?

[Super Chimp]

No 850/No Edge no HSPDA. the leds on the back seem weired.
Any idea about the video recording?

It does seem odd that their is no support for HSDPA on this phone. They can manage it on the K850 so why not on this device?

[Itachi]

Because Walkman phones are not always high spec in that respect. If it was HSDPA you would find more people going for that over the K850.

The K850 is more designed for the mass market.

[neutral]

ARGHHH!!!!!! 262k colours!!! ARGHHH!!! WTF????? All new Nokia phones packed with 16m screens. ARGHHH!!! ANd to think the latest "new" phones from SE not due for release until at least 4Q has only 262k colours... ARGHH..

Other than that the W960i is likely more popular than the K850i. If the features don't beat the K850i, the K850i keypad (thorns for buttons) will kill it.. Awful. After a phone call.. Your face filled with holes....

[Tejstar]

Another 'Walkman' branded phone without the 3.5mm jack - ridiculous imo.

Apart from that, this looks like a great phone it's just such a shame they could not have made this perfect by having the headphone jack included. :(

[**^ramintop^**]

Tejstar, you people are never satisfied are you? :-/

[sassafras]

All new Nokia phones packed with 16m screens

numbers dont mean anything, its all about quality. I'd take a good 262K screen (ie most high-end SE phones) over a poor 16m screen (eg Nokia 6131) any day of the week.

having said that, obviously a good 16m colour screen is "better".

[roninja]

Can someone explain me why SE used Phillips Nexpheria graphics card on W960. I do not see any good about using it. GE Force 6600 could have been better.
I would not expect high quality video recording and multimedia playback on W960 because I know it would be just ok, far from being impressive.

Well if you had any idea about SoCs for mobiles you would know that TI's OMAP 2 and soon OMAP 3 are the leading chips for mobiles, followed by Renesas and Freescale. So why would you want to use GeForce 6600 its a discrete chip!

[sassafras]

Can someone explain me why SE used Phillips Nexpheria graphics card on W960. I do not see any good about using it. GE Force 6600 could have been better. I would not expect high quality video recording and multimedia playback on W960 because I know it would be just ok, far from being impressive

it is primarily a music phone, its not aimed at graphics whores.

[knights]

there's a difference between a phone light and flash.

LED light to be precise..

[roninja]

it is primarily a music phone, its not aimed at graphics whores.

Another daft answer since the Nexperia chip features MBX lite, the question is would you prefer the lite version of the chip compared to the full MBX inside OMAP 2 inside the N95?

[sassafras]

Another daft answer since the Nexperia chip features MBX lite, the question is would you prefer the lite version of the chip compared to the full MBX inside OMAP 2 inside the N95?

and how does that affect its ability to play music well? honest question, not looking for a fight :rotate:

[DUNGA]

We're waiting for live pictures of this phone... Then the party can really get started.... :)

[mateusz]

:jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump: Finally SE Smatrphone without QWERTY:jump: :jump: :jump:

[sassafras]

^ you have heard of the W950 right?

[PJ:]

numbers dont mean anything, its all about quality. I'd take a good 262K screen (ie most high-end SE phones) over a poor 16m screen (eg Nokia 6131) any day of the week.

having said that, obviously a good 16m colour screen is "better".


Actually, 6131 has one of the best screens in the market :p

[sassafras]

Actually, 6131 has one of the best screens in the market

even if that were true, its used in a pathetic way. my point: the number of colours does not a "great screen" make :cool:

[Mweb]

: the number of colours does not a "great screen" make :cool:

Correct, My Qtek has a theoretically miserable 64K colours but it's actually quite nice, The Loan N93i i had offered 16M colours but i was less than impressed by it (screen).

[Tejstar]

Tejstar, you people are never satisfied are you? :-/

Every time a new range of SE 'Walkman' phones are released I await with trepidation whether it will include a headphone socket and every time I'm brought back to earth with a bump.

It just annoys me why they use the Walkman brand name and yet still refuse to include the 3.5mm jack. If Nokia can do it why can't SE? I imagine they don't want to cannibalise sales of their MP3 players.

[SuccessCre8or]

neutral, dont be very sad my dear

all experts say that your human eye wont see the difference btw 65K & 262K color screens , so why the ARGHHH ??

[MR]

Main question for me after using one yesterday and today:

iphone or W960i?

I love the W960i, but also the K850i....

MR

[chlettn]

another vid showing the walkman 3 interface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILtexhk3n6M

Looks quite nice, but they should really work on the scrolling recognition...doesn't seem to work at all.

[sidneylopsides]

chlettn, yeah, scrolling already works much better than that on the current UIQ phones.

[Memzee]

MR, you stole my words! The next few weeks are gonna be interesting. Depending on how the iPhone does in the 'real world'.. I'll have to decide between K850i, W960i or the iPhone. Didn't really think about the W960i.. but I just saw the UI in action.. and I'm thinking maybe there might be some hacks to get the scrolling to be smooth like the iPhone. :p

[sellman]

For there is no hesitation, W960i all the way!

It is just so gorgeous!

[maxi]

Anyone know the exact release date??

[roninja]

and how does that affect its ability to play music well? honest question, not looking for a fight :rotate:

good point, not sure of the relative music merits of TI OMAP v NXP processor but I would assume TI being the more powerful chip can handle the DSP better. Then again someone will soon be comparing the W960 with N9x with the iphone etc

[AvWijk]

One great looking device! :jump: Yes, that looks obviously better than Nokia N95.

Only a few things what sets me back from acutally getting it:

- Underpowered CPU. 200 Mhz, same as P1i / M600 / W950
- Navigation with jog dail. Aargh!
- Meriocre video?
- One-handed use? I'm not a great touchscreen fan (except for the Palm Treo 650)
- How is the camera?
- I'm not UIQ fan.

[hyellow]

Is it me, or does the w960i don't have support for external memory? Even though 8gb is more than enough, but a memory slot could be handy in some circumstances... maybe I have overlooked something?

edit: It really hasn't support for external memory.... :(

[AvWijk]

Is it me, or does the w960i don't have support for external memory? Even though 8gb is more than enough, but a memory slot could be handy in some circumstances... maybe I have overlooked something?

edit: It really hasn't support for external memory.... :(

Well, 8 GB should be more than enough as there are not any MicroSD/MiniSD 8 GB cards. The device support Mass storage profile so it make a breeze to copy stuff from PC to W960.

[PJ:]

even if that were true, its used in a pathetic way. my point: the number of colours does not a "great screen" make :cool:

well, there are not many 2.2inch TFT screens out there with 240 x 320 pixels and 16 million colours (and this device was released in the begining of 2006!)

PS - You sound like Yoda :lol:

:p

[hyellow]

Well, 8 GB should be more than enough as there are not any MicroSD/MiniSD 8 GB cards. The device support Mass storage profile so it make a breeze to copy stuff from PC to W960.

I do agree that 8gb is more than enough, but sometimes you come to places where there's lack of the right usb-cable (unless you cary one around you all the time), and hot swapping music with e.g. your friends would be much easier to do with memorycards rather than transfering through bluetooth.

[indup]

One great looking device! :jump: Yes, that looks obviously better than Nokia n95.

really does look good but alot of phones look better than the n95,thats part of its charm.as soon as i saw the first pic of the w960i i looked over at the n95 and thought: "youre one ugly... ... but i love you for what you are."

[SonyLover]

Correct, My Qtek has a theoretically miserable 64K colours but it's actually quite nice, The Loan N93i i had offered 16M colours but i was less than impressed by it (screen).

I've compared a 6131 screen (16m colors), and a W880 screen (262k), and I found the W880 has better quality IMO, you can't really see any pixels :)

[roninja]

Strange just read the developer whitepaper and it doesn't actually mention the processor just lists ARM.

[sassafras]

really does look good but alot of phones look better than the n95,thats part of its charm.as soon as i saw the first pic of the w960i i looked over at the n95 and thought: "youre one ugly... ... but i love you for what you are."

let me guess, youre one of those guys who blew their life savings on an N95 and now you suddenly feel the urge to tell the world how brilliant it is and how crappy all other phones are? thats how you come across in this and other SE phone threads anyway.

[sassafras]

well, there are not many 2.2inch TFT screens out there with 240 x 320 pixels and 16 million colours (and this device was released in the begining of 2006!)

it might be a good screen on paper but its wasted on a crappy phone like that, no doubt (and dont get me started on just how crappy that phone really is, please). the 16 million colour E65 screen is pretty nice though.

still, it is a bit of a mystery why SE wont let their screens evolve together with all other specs. maybe because there's really nowhere to go after 16 million colours and they want to milk every pennys worth in every generation of phone? I mean, no phone announced recently has been truly revolutionary. Just slight upgrades of existing solutions.

[iron_mike010]

Very, very nice indeed. If the price does lower, this would make a very attractive prospect.
I wonder what nokia and samsung will announce over the coming months. I sincerely hope samsung does something with the f700 concept!

You sound like Yoda

LOL

[Super Chimp]

Correct, My Qtek has a theoretically miserable 64K colours but it's actually quite nice, The Loan N93i i had offered 16M colours but i was less than impressed by it (screen).

I agree about the N93i screen I finally got a chance to see a N93i in use & I thought it wasn't as good as my N93s screen, well not in the sunlight I saw it & that has less colours. So its not that easy to judge screens.

[SuccessCre8or]

Looks quite nice, but they should really work on the scrolling recognition...doesn't seem to work at all

yeah , but u know the prototype firmwares are always unstable :)

[mrMobile]

well... awesome phone no question... in all ways.. but not the price.. 799?????
the same price as a n95?? oh lord have mercy.... only because of a 3.2cam an touchscreen? damn... oho not thats to much.. i was expecting something like max. 400? and 350? the k850i.... simply to high... 500? would be high.. 800? is fu***** high.... and with contract here in europe stills 300? to go.... so as the n95 class device.. really sucks.. i wasnt expecting this price....

Usually SE camera is better than nokia or others. So 3.2MP could be as good as N95 or even better. I manage to print good photos with my 2MP, 3.2 will be more better, I just think 5MP camera is not required.

[mrMobile]

it might be a good screen on paper but its wasted on a crappy phone like that, no doubt (and dont get me started on just how crappy that phone really is, please). the 16 million colour E65 screen is pretty nice though.

still, it is a bit of a mystery why SE wont let their screens evolve together with all other specs. maybe because there's really nowhere to go after 16 million colours and they want to milk every pennys worth in every generation of phone? I mean, no phone announced recently has been truly revolutionary. Just slight upgrades of existing solutions.

Maybe difference aint that big so it aint worth upgrading to 16M and maybe it may increase price more?

[mrMobile]

Main question for me after using one yesterday and today:

iphone or W960i?

I love the W960i, but also the K850i....

MR

I think W960 much better than iphone, like its got both touchscreen and keypads, better camera and looks but iphone is more well known and wanted brand.

[MR]

mrMobile, yup correct! We are there as journalists to show quality differences!!! And I will do that and show it to the world. iPhone needs to show it, SE already proved it!

MR

[Bouvin]

Oi maxi! Get your own picture, spent at least 5min doing mine in paint!

So guys, difference between walkmanplayer in W960 and mediaplayer in K850?

[indup]

let me guess, youre one of those guys who blew their life savings on an N95 and now you suddenly feel the urge to tell the world how brilliant it is and how crappy all other phones are? thats how you come across in this and other SE phone threads anyway.

guessed wrong pal thats but not a surprise,ive bought 3 other phones since the n95 so that theory of yours is out the window.secondly ive not rubbished every other phone (in the very post of mine you have a problem with i praise the phone for how good it looks-go figure?????) and if ive got an opinion ill state it not worrying what someone like yourself might think.
next time think before you write, it might stop you from making a fool of yourself,then again....

[SuccessCre8or]

speakin about the official pics of the W960, the handset looks glossy!

what da ? did SE hire glossy "finger-print" lovers designers ?

DONT hope so...
any comment?

[knights]

I've compared a 6131 screen (16m colors), and a W880 screen (262k), and I found the W880 has better quality IMO, you can't really see any pixels

how can you rate the quality when you have a faulty vision... or else blinded to other brand...

[SonyLover]

W960 whitepaper here:

http://developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=96061

[sshock2]

finally dedicated music keys, nice :)

[rss_ndrsn]

iPhone's user interface makes it stand out from other devices. No question about it.

[SonyLover]

Differences between W950 and W960:

http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/17933/2004212508737599552_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004212508737599552)

http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/18835/2004201231761000370_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004201231761000370)

http://aycu18.webshots.com/image/17337/2004218689728570817_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004218689728570817)

[iqtidar]

iphone is more well known and wanted brand.

it is even out yet and how could u say it is more well known and wanted brand??
IMO the only good thing iphone has is the big ts and big mem.... other than that its a s**t....(IMO)

[McKinley]

Look at Video Camera

Video Camera: Yes, VGA

What? it records in VGA resolution?


My opinion about this phone.
It looks well, nothing special but it seems to be very special and a gadget you easilly could debate about for ages.
This is definitely going to be my next phone but that list never stops growing sadly.

[McKinley]

Ahh no, it's only for video calls :(

[SonyLover]

Look at Video Camera

Video Camera: Yes, VGA

What? it records in VGA resolution?

This is definitely going to be my next phone but that list never stops growing sadly.

1. No. VGA camera for videocalls :)

2. Lol, which other phones are on your list?

[McKinley]

SonyLover,
Phones in no particular order:
Sony Ericsson P1i, K850i, T650i and now W960.

[SonyLover]

SonyLover,
Phones in no particular order:
Sony Ericsson P1i, K850i, T650i and now W960.

Mmm, that's a hard choice. P1 and W960 are basically the same (the main difference is the 8GB internal memory of the W960). T650 seems light and thin, and K850 offers the best 5MP camera out there :-/

Are you more into Cybershot, Walkman or smarphones?

[McKinley]

SonyLover,
Consider that P1i is being released first of them all, it's definitely going to be my next phone while T650i which is due to the market about the same time will be given to my GF. Then in Q4 I will most likely sell P1i and buy W960i and K850i.

[SonyLover]

SonyLover,
Consider that P1i is being released first of them all, it's definitely going to be my next phone while T650i which is due to the market about the same time will be given to my GF. Then in Q4 I will most likely sell P1i and buy W960i and K850i.

I'm sure she'll love it :D

So, in the end you're gonna buy both, cool :cool:

[arne123]

So the W960i has basicly the same setup as the P1i, so that would mean it probably could run skype aswell? Skype was mentioned in the documents about the p1i..
Id say the W960i is the ultimate phone, the iPhone may have slightly better looks but other than that the w960 eats it.. and why do you need a 3.5mm jack? If your listening to your music on your iphone in your regular headphones, how will you answer if the phone rings? There is no mic on the regular iphone headphones, which there is on the W960 headphones!

[sassafras]

Maybe difference aint that big so it aint worth upgrading to 16M and maybe it may increase price more?

that would seem logical but I'm not too sure it would push up the price of the phone a lot since its found in certain budget handsets (eg the 6131) already.

possibly, allowing 16 million colours might help drain the battery (hence the poor standby time on many nokia solutions) and SE figures its not worth it, as the perceived difference between 262K and 16M is miniscule or even non-existent on a screen this small.

this is just speculation on my part!

[Ronka]

W960 is a real punch to Iphone and N91.. or any other music fones.

This is the ultimate Walkman.

[Divoon]

Video recording QVGA @ 15 FPS, Video playback it 20 FPS. Was hoping for at least 20 FPS recording.

[sassafras]

am I the only one who never uses the video recording feature on my phone(s)?

[claudio]

Nice Move By Se ,Quite appealing Device ;)

[Itachi]

Anyone know if this has the flash designed menus like the k850?

[mobick]

can someone please post a live pic of the w960? thanks!

[SuccessCre8or]

W960 is a real punch to Iphone and N91.. or any other music fones.

This is the ultimate Walkman.

haha...the w850 was the punch for the N91
the W960 is a punch for the N95 , the iPhone & for other music fones

[MR]

As discussed my story:

http://forums.se-nse.net/index.php?showtopic=11607

MR

[Itachi]

Im trying to now decide this or the K850. Decisions decisions. And still the iphone lingers in the back of my head haha

3.5mm slot is nice but not essential. SE Walkman headphones are good quality anyway so its not a big deal.

[indup]

Im trying to now decide this or the K850. Decisions decisions. And still the iphone lingers in the back of my head haha

thats the great thing about making a decision as soon as you make it and act upon it you start wishing you made the other one.

[Itachi]

lol Yeah. I know if I go for the K850 I will be happy but ultimatley music is my 1st preference so im thinking spend the extra and get the w960. Ill be getting it on a contract then anyway so it shouldnt be that much.

[m33]

can someone please post a live pic of the w960? thanks!

Live photos
http://www.mobileburn.com/gallery.jsp?Id=3456&source=HOME

Live videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOg-5CAjq8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILtexhk3n6M

[Super Chimp]

Looking purely at it on the paper specifications the W960 would seem to be the stronger device than the iphone. But also their is one more device to be considered here which hopefully we will see soon & then a choice between the 3 can be made.

[Ronka]

If this fone has HSDPA.. i will buy it over K850i.

But K850i has 5mpix , HSDPA/edge tribands... crazy! :)

[Itachi]

If this fone has HSDPA.. i will buy it over K850i.

But K850i has 5mpix , HSDPA/edge tribands... crazy! :)

Yeah but your not going touse HSDPA and EDGE at the same time are you lol

I think even without the presence of HSDPA the W960 is capable of challanging the iphone.

[**^ramintop^**]

Super Chimp, oh comooooooon this is enough LOL,it will be very hard choosing :)

[sshock2]

I've compared a 6131 screen (16m colors), and a W880 screen (262k), and I found the W880 has better quality IMO, you can't really see any pixels :)
then you'll sure see W880 and 6131 having better screen than W960 I guess :D

[mrMobile]

it is even out yet and how could u say it is more well known and wanted brand??
IMO the only good thing iphone has is the big ts and big mem.... other than that its a s**t....(IMO)

Where were you all that time?, you sure live in planet earth? ;) yes its not out yet but everyone talking about it. When it was announce, world media was broadcasting it including CNN BBC etc and it was in newspapers and magazines, even a gadget magazine, i think it was the stuff who said its best gadget. Its not yet out but always on TV, even little details they mention them on TV, like some days ago a news channel mentioned its coming out on a particular date, even on the Internet, they talk about this phone, just like we are doing now. I don't see this happening with other phone makers. You go ask general public about upcoming mobile phones, they only tell you that they have heard of iphone and apple is cool brand because of ipod success.

[Ronka]

any mobile fone equpped qith 2.6 inch screen should uses at least VGA screen.

2.6 QVGA is really poor. VGA is minimum for 2.6 inch

[Itachi]

I dont even know of any phone apart from the 904 that uses a VGA phone.

The N95 doesnt and it looks fine.

[SonyLover]

am I the only one who never uses the video recording feature on my phone(s)?

Me neither. I almost never record videos. Video recording is a overrated feature IMO :)

But it seems lot of people care about it and 3.5mm jack :lol:

[Ronka]

i dont care about video-recording.. mobile-fones still couldnt produce a quality video that worth collection.

But i do care about 3.5 mm jack. i was a bit dissapointed when i couldnt find one in W960

[maxi]

Bouvin changed my avatar :)

[saliquincer]

any mobile fone equpped qith 2.6 inch screen should uses at least VGA screen.

2.6 QVGA is really poor. VGA is minimum for 2.6 inch
try a W950 to discover the high quality of its display. (QVGA)

[sidneylopsides]

True, try any 2.6" QVGA screen phone, the N95, M600i, W950i, they all look fantastic. Even the 2.8" P990i one looks pretty good.

[Itachi]

Me neither. I almost never record videos. Video recording is a overrated feature IMO :)

But it seems lot of people care about it and 3.5mm jack :lol:

I dont use it that often but its handy when your out with your mates and see something funny (or serious) happening and can then film it.

I maintain QVGA 15fps is just about ok as its decent enough to look good on the phone screen and thats all that matters to me really.

3.5 mm thing is just being picky.

[F430]

diffrence between W960i and P1i, i know few
1. Qwerty Keyboard
2. Walkman 3.0 player
3. 8 GB Flash

Is there any other thing thats i have missed?

[SuccessCre8or]

from the white paper of the W960 i see that WiFi b means ( 11 Mbit/s ) is that equavilant to (11x1024 = 11264 kbit ) ? & equivalent to ( 11264/8 = 1408 KB/s ) ????

plz if i m wrong , correct me .....

[Itachi]

Accelerometer?

[F430]

bavlondon,
ive miss that

P.S what it is and what does it do?

[Jo]

bavlondon, yeah like xenon flash for night photos is being picky... all camera digital cameras have it but you don't need it, a LED one is enough.
i hope you get i am trying to explain you here...

a 3.5mm jack is being picky, why all the mp3 players have it as standard?.

[chlettn]

The W960 doesn't have an accelerometer...


F430, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerometer

[marvin]

3.5mm slot is nice but not essential. SE Walkman headphones are good quality anyway so its not a big deal.

Not when you have used other better earphones.

I used to have that impression, finding the stock w900i earphones great.

Until I got hold of another with industry standard 3.5mm. The only reason I am not so critical about SE on that is because there are adapters for 3.5mm jacks. Same with Nokia's fastport to 3.5mm adapters.

[are_s]

Chlettn, the w960 does have accelerometer

[sshock2]

I dont use it that often but its handy when your out with your mates and see something funny (or serious) happening and can then film it.

I maintain QVGA 15fps is just about ok as its decent enough to look good on the phone screen and thats all that matters to me really.
Obviously there are others who'd like to watch the video recorded by their mobile phones on their pc or tv, even burned to dvd to keep for later, so VGA video recording matters.

3.5mm slot is nice but not essential. SE Walkman headphones are good quality anyway so its not a big deal.
3.5mm slot is indeed not essential, but for a different reason, because of adapter available in package. SE Walkman headphones may sound nice compared to other mobile phones' headphones, but they still lose completely to any decent $20 headphones out there.

[SonyLover]

Chlettn, the w960 does have accelerometer

100% confirmed :)

[iqtidar]

now i remember... this phone looks like 6708

[love murder]

The W960 doesn't have an accelerometer...


F430, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerometer

MR said in his review that W910+W960+K850 have the same thing Accelerometer

[myndlyz]

the w960i is soooo amazing. man i cant get over it. that is for sure my next fone. to be completely honest, the apple iphone is not even being considered. lol i must say, im always gnna get a sony ericsson.

[McKinley]

bavlondon, yeah like xenon flash for night photos is being picky... all camera digital cameras have it but you don't need it, a LED one is enough.
i hope you get i am trying to explain you here...

a 3.5mm jack is being picky, why all the mp3 players have it as standard?.

If led flash is enough then 3.5mm adapter is enough as well, if we aren't that picky.

[mobick]

what a nice phone! i love it...now i have to choose between p1 and w960...but my only worry is that w960 will be way too expensive...anyone has an idea how much it might cost??? :)

[vic2rp]

Me neither. I almost never record videos. Video recording is a overrated feature IMO :)

Ever heard of youtube?

[zulee]

Ever heard of youtube?

yeah, now when m.youtube.com is online you can even watch it from your phone!

[marvin]

Obviously there are others who'd like to watch the video recorded by their mobile phones on their pc or tv, even burned to dvd to keep for later, so VGA video recording matters.


Exactly.

Video recording on phones was a novelty when it first started. Something as frivolous as having a colored screen when phones started to sport one. :D

Now, there's a growing market pining to have this facility on cellphones. The closer it gets to good entry level fixed focus video camcorders, the better.

My kid loves to take videos of their activities in school together with his peer groups. They have apparently grown tired of just taking pictures. And the old w900i I gave him, no matter how great its QVGA videos are, seems to have reached the limits of its usefulness for him. Now he wants TV out to share the video with. But he can't do that with QVGA on 29" screens and still get pleasure. And for this, I bought him a fixed focus Creative DiVi Cam with stabilizer costing half the price of an N91ME where we live. It certainly takes great mp4 video at VGA 30fps at 1.8mbps bitrates. I know of no cellphone that does this at the moment. And I certainly can't afford an N95 for a 13yr old kid.

My point is, great VGA video is the next frontier cellphones can conquer. And while I don't see the need in my work or leisure, there are people who do. My son being one of them. He'll probably be using the Creative DiVi Cam for a while, until some reasonably priced all-in-one cellphone comes along to do the same video quality.


3.5mm slot is indeed not essential, but for a different reason, because of adapter available in package. SE Walkman headphones may sound nice compared to other mobile phones' headphones, but they still lose completely to any decent $20 headphones out there.

Indeed. Anyone who has used a Sennheiser or Shure earphone will not go back to SE walkman earphones. I'm just using a $30 earphone and I have no intentions of going back either. To me, SE is making a ridiculous oversight by not equipping its walkman phones with 3.5mm jacks. At least Nokia has them on its ME phones and Motorola on their ROKR E phones. (The Z6 is an anomaly here.) Anyone serious in high quality mp3 playback on the road can benefit using better earphones with 3.5mm pins. Good thing there are adapters for SE's proprietary connections.

[legend_killer_666]

I don't want to sound too carried away but this may just be SE's perfect phone yet. :d

[Infinate]

anyway i dont even use VGA on my digicam, i only use QVGA 15fps(sometimes 30)
3.5mm jacks is also not essential, but i would really consider the phone if it had it.
what i really want to know is the loudspeaker quality, in the review of the p1 elder said the speaker is very quiet, if thats the case then i would be really dissapointed with the speaker of the w960 as they are assumed to be the same.

[sshock2]

bavlondon, yeah like xenon flash for night photos is being picky... all camera digital cameras have it but you don't need it, a LED one is enough.
Actually, xenon flash is the one feature that I don't think anywhere near being useful in practical situations in SE phones. I don't think the flash on mobile phone has advanced to anything more than gimmicks yet. Actually the flash on ultra-compact DCs has not gone too far ahead of gimmicks yet. Even the flash on my Sony Cybershot T100 is still largely useless under most practical situations, with an effective distance of 1 meter at best. And I find "nightmode" to be much more useful than flash, xenon or not, on mobile phones.

[**^ramintop^**]

sshock2, light any stronger than the ones used in k800 or DCs may harm the eye,it is already strong enough,oh and xenon flash in the k800 is very very useful!

[Bouvin]

What about the blog-function, will it be awailable on W960, if yes, can you blog videos as on the K850?
RSS, same as before or with the same changes as RSS in K850?

Thanx Maxi :jump:

[PJ:]

am I the only one who never uses the video recording feature on my phone(s)?

I started using it when it became usable (with the N95) :cool:

[marvin]

I started using it when it became usable (with the N95) :cool:

That's really how things start. When the market finds a feature really useful, they start to look for it in the next phones they buy. I remember how crappy the pictures were on the first cellphones with camera. Now, people can't be content with anythng less than 3.2mpx with flash and autofocus on cellphones.

[sshock2]

sshock2, light any stronger than the ones used in k800 or DCs may harm the eye,it is already strong enough,oh and xenon flash in the k800 is very very useful!
Nope, the flash on mobile phones are only useful as flashlight, which the xenon flash in K800 can't do. So the K750's flash, which can act as flashlight, is more useful than K800.

your post just shows that you don't know anything about flash in DCs, those ultra-compact DCs have far weaker flash than normal DCs, and the mobile phone flash is even weaker than those in ultra-compact DCs. K800's xenon flash is weaker than Cybershot T100's, the T100's at least can light up a distance around 1-2 meters, while K800's flash can't even do that, makes it practically useless in most real world situations with insufficient light. Your talking of K800 and DCs flash like they are all of the same strength shows that you know nothing at all.

[knights]

sshock2

still, xenon on k800 is a big plus... if you said its weaker than most of compact-Dcs, then LED lights on most mobile phones are certainly weakest... i dont also agree that xenon on k800 wont be usefull in 1-2meters.. maybe you should try one before making such conclusion... practicality is dif. usabililty... yes it may not be practical to have it on mobile phone (since you said its very weak), but still very usable...

offtopic: now that we have LED and XENON on k850, at least we can enjoy both worlds that we never experienced on a "mobile phone" before... we will also see this trend (LED+XENON) in high-end camera phones by nokia...Hopefully..

[sshock2]

sshock2
i dont also agree that xenon on k800 wont be usefull in 1-2meters.. maybe you should try one before making such conclusion...
I've taken several shots with the K800 at night, both outside and in house, and nightmode produces far better results than activating flash. the flash only light up the small center part of the picture when taking shot of a person less than 2 meters away, while the corners are all dim and noise, making the result picture mostly useless. It may be useful if you take shot of a small object at less than 1 meter away in the night, but in daily use there's not many such specific needs, if at all.

still, xenon on k800 is a big plus... if you said its weaker than most of compact-Dcs, then LED lights on most mobile phones are certainly weakest...
the LED flash are weaker, that's why I said they are all still gimmicks as far as I can see. However since LED flash can act as flashlight, so it's actually more useful in practice.

practicality is dif. usabililty... yes it may not be practical to have it on mobile phone (since you said its very weak), but still very usable...
when it's not useful under most practical situations, it's not that useful. Usability is different from usefulness.

[ratei]

Nope, the flash on mobile phones are only useful as flashlight, which the xenon flash in K800 can't do. So the K750's flash, which can act as flashlight, is more useful than K800.

your post just shows that you don't know anything about flash in DCs, those ultra-compact DCs have far weaker flash than normal DCs, and the mobile phone flash is even weaker than those in ultra-compact DCs. K800's xenon flash is weaker than Cybershot T100's, the T100's at least can light up a distance around 1-2 meters, while K800's flash can't even do that, makes it practically useless in most real world situations with insufficient light. Your talking of K800 and DCs flash like they are all of the same strength shows that you know nothing at all.

T100 is effective as 3.7 meters as tested in digicam review sites. IMO, K800's flash is effective me. I used my K800 before I lost it mostly in very poor light - and I'm sure it can reach about at least 1.5 meters. But your right it's pretty weak, budget cameras like Cyber-shot S600 and my father's Canon A560 can do about at least 10 meters.

[sshock2]

T100 is effective as 3.7 meters as tested in digicam review sites. IMO, K800's flash is effective me. I used my K800 before I lost it mostly in very poor light - and I'm sure it can reach about at least 1.5 meters. But your right it's pretty weak, budget cameras like Cyber-shot S600 and my father's Canon A560 can do about at least 10 meters.
T100's labelled 3.7m range of flash is a joke, maybe it can light up the center area slightly at 3.7m, but it's basically useless. I think it has something to do with the synthetic test environment. Nokia 6680's flash is labelled with an effective range of 1.5m, but it can't produce any decent pictures at night when taking shot of something half a meter away. Same goes with K800, I'm sure the light can reach somewhere around 2 meters for the central area, but it can't produce anything satisfactory for practical use. Say, do you really think shots like these are useful? They are very closed up shots and already the flash looks weak and irregular.

plant at less than half a meter away:
http://www.pconline.com.cn/mobile/review/0605/pic/060523_sonyericsson_k800_303.jpg

two dolls at less than quarter a meter away:
http://www.pconline.com.cn/mobile/review/0605/pic/060523_sonyericsson_k800_311.jpg

Yup it can be somewhat useful when you are taking shots of extremely close small objects at night, but what's the chance of that in real world normal daily situations instead of synthetic tests? Close to nil if you ask me. I don't find taking shots of small keychains at night any fun.

[iqtidar]

yesterday i went for a movie a recorded it a bit with my n95... the video is very smooth and clear...
for me video recording in a phone is important now......

[sidneylopsides]

sshock2, the second picture looks like it was taken in Document mode, that cuts the flash power down. Usually if I take a picture that close it's just white. if it was on document for the first picture it would explain the darkness too.
The K800i flash is weak compared to any digital camera though.

[Valerich]

Every time a new range of SE 'Walkman' phones are released I await with trepidation whether it will include a headphone socket and every time I'm brought back to earth with a bump.

It just annoys me why they use the Walkman brand name and yet still refuse to include the 3.5mm jack. If Nokia can do it why can't SE? I imagine they don't want to cannibalise sales of their MP3 players.

ok ANY walkman phone HAS a 3,5 jack on its stock headsets!!! you have just to disconnect standart headphones from headset and plug what you like.

[SonyLover]

Now this has become of a LED vs Xenon Flash thread (with pics included) :lol:

[SonyLover]

Now more live pics (I'm in love with the big screen, new Walkman Touch Player and it seems quite light and thin) :D

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/02.JPG
http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/03.JPG
http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/05.JPG
http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/06.JPG
http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/07.JPG
http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/08.JPG
http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/09.JPG
http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/10.JPG

[SonyLover]

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/11.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/12.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/13.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/14.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/15.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/17.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/18.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/20.JPG

http://www.evenmobile.com/forum/tests/sony/W960/23.JPG

[m-one]

As predicted MOOI has become a beauty. This is definitely my next phone :rotate:

[SuccessCre8or]

again a finger print hungry fone :(

why didnt SE designers make this like the W950 ? just matte surface , clean & no finger prints !!

SE, plz fire those glossy designers :D , the W960 was just perfect... but i wont put more than 750 euros in a scratch-prone fone :insane:

[sshock2]

sshock2, the second picture looks like it was taken in Document mode, that cuts the flash power down. Usually if I take a picture that close it's just white. if it was on document for the first picture it would explain the darkness too.
The K800i flash is weak compared to any digital camera though.

nope, not document mode, document mode would be even worse when you take a shot at something half a meter away.

[mobile boi]

how much is the W960i when it come out coz it is a cool phone man

[Bouvin]

I've pre-ordered one from http://www.katshing.se/prod/prod.asp?aid=14348 Price at the mom $675 (4800 SEK) :love:

[DUNGA]

I've pre-ordered one from http://www.katshing.se/prod/prod.asp?aid=14348 Price at the mom $675 (4800 SEK) :love:

675 dollars? Thats like 350 Euros or something... :D

[sellman]

wow!

I doubt that it will be that cheap in Belgium, but I guess that maybe I will go to Germany... :)

[SonyLover]

I've pre-ordered one from http://www.katshing.se/prod/prod.asp?aid=14348 Price at the mom $675 (4800 SEK) :love:

Bargain :D

Please, make a video (or pics), of the unboxing process (I love it) :cool:

Again congrats, you'll be one of the first here to have it :jump:

[jumbel]

675 dollars? Thats like 350 Euros or something... :D

Dude...675$ is around 550? not 350?.......I guess theminimum price would be 500e for this phone...

[jumbel]

Bargain :D

Please, make a video (or pics), of the unboxing process (I love it) :cool:

Again congrats, you'll be one of the first here to have it :jump:

When is it coming to the market....i have already started saving money for this beauty....thought of buying w950i...but this is worth the wait....

[Itachi]

550 Euros is too cheap no way you will get it for that much so early. Thats only a fraction over what the K850 is.

Price will go up to 700Euros or so when stock comes in.

[saliquincer]

orange is gone again ... looks like a bigger bro of W660 in black.

[iqtidar]

Bargain

Please, make a video (or pics), of the unboxing process (I love it)

Again congrats, you'll be one of the first here to have it


y? are u gonna tfk while watching it ? ;)

[nipun]

is it confirmed vid capture is VGA 15fps, please one of the haves post a sample vid for the have nots (yet!)

[DUNGA]

Dude...675$ is around 550? not 350?.......I guess theminimum price would be 500e for this phone...

Its Sir to you, I was being sarcastic... ;)

[McKinley]

550 Euros is too cheap no way you will get it for that much so early. Thats only a fraction over what the K850 is.

Price will go up to 700Euros or so when stock comes in.


I believe it will be that cheap because both P1 and P990i are priced lower.
Sony Ericsson P1 costs no more than ?473 while P990i costs a mere ?445.

By the way his currency info seems incorrect because it's ?512 and not ?550, at least 4800 SEK is ~?512.
The prices http://www.katshing.se, are giving us are pretty accurate so I expect Sony Ericsson W960, to cost around ?512 when they start selling it.

[hyellow]

I don't know if the following have been questioned before, but.... is it possible to receive FM-Radio when you only have a stereo bluetooth headset, since this comes standard with the w960i? It's all wireless, so..
How Do They Do It?

[a2k24]

How Do They Do It?
the radio is in the handset itself.. so transfer is same as it would b in the mp3 player ?

looks bland.. nothin special. (dont really like the looks actually)
specs are special though.

[hyellow]

the radio is in the handset itself.. so transfer is same as it would b in the mp3 player ?

I thought that your headset should be plugged in, because it functions as antenna, but if it isn't needed anymore, the better it is, if fm antenna is integrated within the phone.

[maxi]

?340.00 that price is high, not to sure il get it.

[rss_ndrsn]

The main icons are ugly. I hope SE can change it totally in the next UIQ version.

[Memzee]

I don't like the UIQ icons either. You would have thought that SE would have made nicer ones by now. Still, it's a nice device, and the UI is a step in the right direction. There are some nice menu transitions. I like how the albumart in the walkman player magnifies smoothly when you double tap it. Just little things like that that make the user experience that much nicer.

[arne123]

There are themes you can use that will change the icons, for instance a iPhone theme that is hot!

[M H]

Why SE still didn`t made an phone with uiq 3.1 since they own Symbian UIQ?

[Divoon]

Why SE still didn`t made an phone with uiq 3.1 since they own Symbian UIQ?

UIQ 3.1 Is for Non-Touch Screen Smart phones.

[chlettn]

UIQ 3.1 Is for Non-Touch Screen Smart phones.

Not quite true - both UIQ 3 & 3.1 can be used with or without touchscreens...

[Divoon]

Not quite true - both UIQ 3 & 3.1 can be used with or without touchscreens...

I recall reading it in a pdf from SE developers world and how the key configuration works out for non touch screen devices using UIQ. No mention of Touch screen devices, perhaps thats why the W960 is UIQ 3.
I'll see if I can find the article.

[iqtidar]

this doesnt have mem card slot, does it?

[playdead]

I took P1 yesterday, and with mp3 player running it took 5 seconds to start sms or contacts, i'm courious will w960 be as slow...

[Divoon]

this doesnt have mem card slot, does it?

No slot.
...

[Memzee]

There are themes you can use that will change the icons, for instance a iPhone theme that is hot!
Yeah.. I saw it running on the P1i.. and then some guy saw it and said "Oh my gawwwd.. is that the Apple phone??????!!!!!!!!!!!!".

[are_s]

I took P1 yesterday, and with mp3 player running it took 5 seconds to start sms or contacts, i'm courious will w960 be as slow...

the first time it will, like the P990...with the ammount of RAM the P1 has, you let those always running on background, and they will load in 1 sec after that

[arne123]

Well the iPhone has one heck of a UI, and the W960 owns the iPhone spec wise, so i cant understand why not everyone buys the w960 and just get the iphone theme :=)
atleast i will do that

[scareface]

this doesnt have mem card slot, does it?why should you need a card slot whit 8gb memory?

[iqtidar]

why should you need a card slot whit 8gb memory?
in case 8gb is not enough...

[knights]

I took P1 yesterday, and with mp3 player running it took 5 seconds to start sms or contacts,

it seems that bigger RAM doesnt help...

[sms]

I took P1 yesterday, and with mp3 player running it took 5 seconds to start sms or contacts, i'm courious will w960 be as slow...

with 208MHz processor, I wouldn't be surprised at all, and afaik, w960 is based on the same hardware so... :down:

[knights]

with 208MHz processor, I wouldn't be surprised at all, and afaik, w960 is based on the same hardware so...

eldar: The model runs on the same hardware chassis as the previous Sony Ericsson’s offerings, meaning that it is powered by ARM9 processor, whose frequency tops out at 220 MHz (though in real-life it runs at 180 MHz). In fact the CPU is the system’s greatest headache, that doesn’t allow going for even better performance..

ohhh no... and it seems w950 is using same processor + heavy animated interface; hope it wont crawl...

[steven_f]

knights, hope so too. Hasn't anyone had a first hand experience of the UI yet?

[m-one]

No experience would help you to make your mind up 'cos the UI's still prototype.
There'll be a lot of chances concerning the speed and some installed apps. ;)

[SonyLover]

in case 8gb is not enough...

Better buy a Laptop then :p

[McKinley]

Now when most reviewers have confirmed the simpliness of pinch way to use Safari webbrowser, would it be really bad by Sony Ericsson, if they didn't fix their touchscreen because it didn't look that easy to scroll through your albums, according to that clip which was posted before.

[saliquincer]

I tried a proto model of P1 3 weeks ago in a showcase, it was faster than my P990, I had both of them in my hand ...
P1 could open the music files in a second, but in my P990 it lasts for 3 seconds to play a music file on external memory.