New Nokia Communicator

[kailia]

Has anybody heard any news about a new Nokia communicator, with detachable keyboard??

[EldarMurtazin]

kailia
Nokia 9500? no :)
I just playing a couple hours with them, few weeks ago :)

touch screen, bluetooth, etc... not bad but big

[bart]

big? ups i thought the new communicator would be that small silver thing from nokia
long touch screen, retraceble camera and so

[EldarMurtazin]

bart
it's smaller than old one, but bigger than ordinary phone of course... if you like such gadgets they you'll fall in love with 9500

[Nisse]

Originally posted by EldarMurtazin
bart
it's smaller than old one, but bigger than ordinary phone of course... if you like such gadgets they you'll fall in love with 9500

Can You Pleas give ass any moor information?

Photos or any Technical specifications.

Any estimate when this device vill come out to customer's.

Answer this if its possible whit out creating problems or conflict off interest for You.

[EldarMurtazin]

Nisse
it would be anounced very soon, just wait for it

[bart]

don't forget nisse, that if he would spread info nokia won't be happy with that. rival companys could already start making a "killer"

[Mister T]

just one quick question eldarM, would a p900 user like it if he doesn't want a phone like sx1 or 6600? ofcourse if he isn't a die hard se fan :D

[EldarMurtazin]

bart
such products developed for ages and competitors already prepared the same products... I saw one from Moto, it's crazy...
Mike Fister said a few words about it in Russia... it would be open in two style - like ordinary clamshell and like 9210, QWERTY-keypad and so on..

[Nisse]

Originally posted by bart
don't forget nisse, that if he would spread info nokia won't be happy with that. rival companys could already start making a "killer"

I Do know that ;)

That's why I did write this:
"Answer this if its possible whit out creating problems or conflict off interest for You."

Bat May 6310i and 9210i have solved may problems for long now.
The 9210i desperately need's too Retire :weep:

[Nisse]

Originally posted by EldarMurtazin
Nisse
it would be anounced very soon, just wait for it

I do know that booth off this questions are trick questions bath ;)

How son is "very soon"

And can You give an estimate about the time between when it's announced.
And when it's out on the market?:up: :-/ :down:

[ivansergei]

That rumour about the new Communicator is the only good one after a lot of dissapointments like N6320,6600 or evn the SE p900.
Thanks for sharing ELDAR!

[Draak]

P900 disapoimtments..................are you crazy????

[mms_user]

you forgot the most important feature will this be a side-talker like the n-gage & 7700? :rotate:

[-The Andyman-]

mms_user

it shouldnt be...

[blade]

Originally posted by EldarMurtazin
bart
such products developed for ages and competitors already prepared the same products... I saw one from Moto, it's crazy...
Mike Fister said a few words about it in Russia... it would be open in two style - like ordinary clamshell and like 9210, QWERTY-keypad and so on..
Eldar!
Please, tell me more about that Motorolas "crazy" Communicator killer model!
Is it this model???
http://mobilmania.cz/Files/Obrazky/art14/InvexMotorola/20.jpg

[ivansergei]

Hmmm......nice Moto Commi:-))))
But Im waiting for the Nokia one.

Eldar,can u tell us an approximate launch date?

Thank u.

[rightone]

Man eldar, you are a god in the mobile market. :)

[robo]

Is WiFi support confirmed for N9500? Inbuild or SDIO?

[EldarMurtazin]

ivansergei
Cebit


robo
inbuilt as far as I know... in sample which i saw wasn't this feature

[orange]

Originally posted by EldarMurtazin
ivansergei
Cebit


robo
inbuilt as far as I know... in sample which i saw wasn't this feature
What was the screen size of the communicator?

[-The Andyman-]

EldarMurtazin

is it the same size as 7700??? i mean the screen that is

[sebset]

EldarMurtazin
Mike Fister said a few words about it in Russia...

But Mike Fister is from Intel no?

[Nisse]

EldarMurtazin

Has it said talk like the 7700?

Or it the Phone as the old Communicators?

Is it still the same construction as the old Communicators?

[goodghost]

2 any1 who knows:

Will the new communicator have a megapixel cam ( 1 or 1.3 or 2 megapixel?) or just VGA?

TIA

[kristof.vanriet]

i think the 9500 will not have a camera at all, if you look at the people that buying a communicator right now, they won't need a camera, mayby as an add-on or enhancement...

[blade]

Originally posted by blade
Eldar!
Please, tell me more about that Motorolas "crazy" Communicator killer model!
Is it this model???
http://mobilmania.cz/Files/Obrazky/art14/InvexMotorola/20.jpg
Eldar!
Is it this?

[goodghost]

Originally posted by kristof.vanriet
i think the 9500 will not have a camera at all, if you look at the people that buying a communicator right now, they won't need a camera, mayby as an add-on or enhancement...

Sorry, but I would like to disagree :insane:

Cams are not just a fun feature. They are / can be an integral part of serious information management.

Often a picture is able to give a lot of information, which is problematic to describe by words. The character of the information depends on the user. It does not have to be fun snapshots. It might be part of a fact-finding report in serious buisiness or similar.

Therefore I expect the next communicator to feature a cam and hope its a good one. Without a cam I wont buy it, but shall look again for P900 or XDA/MDA II or IPAQ 6000 or anything else.

[Nisse]

Originally posted by kristof.vanriet
i think the 9500 will not have a camera at all, if you look at the people that buying a communicator right now, they won't need a camera, mayby as an add-on or enhancement...

I do agree.

An built-in camera cant solve may needs.
It can't compete whit the rill thing.

Just give ass complete USB support!
Not just as an USB Slave.
It has too bee able too be an USB Master.
That wavy You can connect any camera off You chose whit the USB.
And everybody do get an camera tat supports there needs.

This is May Wish list: USB, Bigger & Touch screen, GPRS, MMS, Bluetooth (Audio & Data),
Built-in GPS, That because i wont to run (Wayfinder) to solve May navigation needs.

[Nokia 8100 !!!!]

For a company that sees Pictures as the future - to not put a camera on a top end phone would be mad. Its like when they released so many phones without BT (7210 onwards etc) making Nokia seem like a middle spec phone manufacturer. But that is a characteristic Nokia thing to do by leaving one or two small features that stop it from becoming the 'perfect' product.

And as for gimmicks - if your a sales rep who has thousands of contacts and meets lots of new people, think about... quick snap and when they call instant recognition.

And how about it becomes their first proper 3G handset that supports video calls, but still available on standard GSM and 2.G N/Ws

[goodghost]

In the end its (as always) a matter of personal preference: Some would like to get built-in GPS, some (like me) would like a decent cam.

obviously it does not matter what we are wanting since the new communicators must be nearly ready for marketing now and nothing could be changed at this time.

So, again, could please someone who had this device in his hand (Eldar?) please tell us whether there was a small black hole looking like a lens of a cam...?

And someone could know what resolution the cam has if there is one...?

[HerrNagel]

Check this out :-

"1. Communicator Successor - this one is easy - name - possibly 9310. It's going to happen sometime this year. My guess would be at 3GSM in February. It'll be based on Series 90, but will be a clamshell type device (compared to the pad-ish like 7700). It'll feature Bluetooth, GPRS and EDGE and WiFi. This will make it the first Symbian phone to feature WiFi, and will undoubtedly be a big seller for business users. It might become available rather quicker than many Nokia devices since it's probably been ready to go for awhile (or maybe not - its possible a successor was ready with Series 80 on board and Nokia decided to switch it over to Series 90 and add WiFi).."

For the full article, visit :

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/devices/viewarticle.php?id=52

Rgds

[-The Andyman-]

a clamshell?? now this really does throw a spanner in the works ;)

[im92109210]

any news ?

[kailia]

Still waiting for some news about a new communicator... maybe at the CEBIT?

Maybe should get a P900 meanwhile...

[Franco74]

regarding the discussion "camera in comunicator needed or not":

folks do not only think about making pictures with a cam (which is - from the marketeers point of view indeed a fun feature), think about video-calls or video-conferences!!!

therefore I would definately go for the new commi if it will have:
- WCDMA
- flexible MP-cam (like in the small sony vaio subnotebooks...)
- GPRS/ EDGE/ BT/ TCP-IP and W-LAN
- TV-module (like 7700)
- MMC/ SD

that will be the perfect business-phone.
and I would rather go for the querty than for a touchscreen...

[im92109210]

yea tv , a great business-phone !! lol , more like watching tv though your headfones while in a business meeting lol

[forever]

http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?year=2004&month=February&day=16&language=en

the new communicator?

[ivansergei]

nahhh seems like a fashion phone more like

[ivansergei]

wrong, it isnt about the new comm.
http://www.areamobile.de/specials/cebit2004_special/teil_III.php


you can clearly see its about a new series 60 device!

[nils]

Originally posted by ivansergei
wrong, it isnt about the new comm.
http://www.areamobile.de/specials/cebit2004_special/teil_III.php


you can clearly see its about a new series 60 device!

though it can functionate properly as a series 60 device closed and as a serie 90 device open!

[sebset]

ivansergei

They used mapping or photoshop to create this pic... ;)
http://www.areamobile.de/images/specials/Special_Cebit2004/nokia_unbekannt1.jpg

original one
http://www.areamobile.de/images/specials/Special_Cebit2004/nokia_unbekannt2.jpg

[nils]

Originally posted by sebset
ivansergei

They used mapping or photoshop to create this pic... ;)
http://www.areamobile.de/images/specials/Special_Cebit2004/nokia_unbekannt1.jpg

original one
http://www.areamobile.de/images/specials/Special_Cebit2004/nokia_unbekannt2.jpg

as a matter of fact the screen looks indeed very (to?) bright
for the picture!

[gaurav311]

Looks like early prototype of fasion series-60 nokia will be releasing later this year. Final product is not yet fully decided, but it looks different from that photo now.

[Nisse]

How about this?

This aren't sopped the bee the relating.

Bat all You that have sad that You seen it.

Can it bee the relating!?

[Nisse]

Sorry

[gaurav311]

another good fake :)

Keypad is nothing like that.

[stadolf]

Hi from the AreaMobile-Team in Berlin. Just would like to add, that we simply didn't modify the picture that ends with "unbekannt_2". We got it from a source on the web - maybe those guys did modify it in any way, but we explicitly said that it's only a rumour (like Eldar did on his page, too, AFAIK).

The picture definately does look a bit processed - so don't blame me, I didn't do anything :D

The last picture someone meant to be "the new communicator" is taken from the latest issue of "connect" (a very popular phone-magazine from Germany). Those guys also aren't tired to produce images that go around the world an mean nothing at all. But it's quite worth a look ;)

[ivansergei]

The new communicator will be launched today at 15.oo CET. Check online edition of Time magazine (Europe) for more details.

[traktori]

From Finnish newspaper "Aamulehti"

(Sorry for the bad quality, someone else maid the first scanning...)

Nokia 9500 first photo (http://koti.mbnet.fi/anttisaa/Images/9500-1.jpg)
Nokia 9500 second photo (http://koti.mbnet.fi/anttisaa/Images/9500-2.jpg)

[orange]

Originally posted by EldarMurtazin
kailia
Nokia 9500? no :)
I just playing a couple hours with them, few weeks ago :)

touch screen, bluetooth, etc... not bad but big
Where's the touchscreen, Eldar? You played with it a couple of hours and didn't notice that there is no touchscreen!? This way you're going to have a credibility problem pretty soon...

[sebset]

orange

Eldar is in Cannes at 3GSM today ;) He cannot answer you.

BTW, I find this 9500 very ugly...

[ivansergei]

maybe ugly but definitely super-smart-device;-)

[orange]

Originally posted by sebset
orange

Eldar is in Cannes at 3GSM today ;) He cannot answer you.

So am I, but I have the connectivity...

[kristof.vanriet]

the second photo looks nice, kinda make a big device look slim... but outher screen looks kinda small, but offcourse you wouldn't use that very much...

[MR]

The specs are now official! I have copied them and translated them into English from Dutch!

MR

THE NOKIA 9500 SPECS:

Nokia Communicator 9500 Dimensions (LxBxD) : 148mm x 56 mm x 24 mm weight 220 grams

FULL QWERTY keyboard in the "Psion style" No mini mini tests, but a keyboard as we that know from the Psion Series 5(MX) A 16 bits (64,000) color screen with very high sharpness in a resolution of 640X200 pixels (Transreflective) Was named Swabbable Multi Media Card Integrated Camera, also video 15 fps with viewfinder in the front (128x128 pixels (active Matrix) Multimedia support for: Midis,
Wave, MP3, AMR, MPEG-4, Real Audio. USB 2.0 (slave) until 12 Mbits/s Pop Port

Networks: EGSM 900/1800/1900 CSD, HSCSD, GPRS multislot (EGPRS) class 10, class B Wireless Lan (WLAN =
Wifi) 802.11b (11Mbit/s)!! Bluetooth Infrared

Applications

Messaging: E-MAIL (Imap, POP3, SMTP, SyncML, Blueberry = always on) SMS, FAX!!, MMS

Internet: Opera 6 (!!) webbrowser with complete support for HTML 4.01 and XHTML (ditto as the MSIE desktop browser). SCR possible (Small Screen Rendering)! Javascript 1.3!

Office applicaties:

Word, Sheet (Excel) and Powerpoint (thus also editers, not single viewers) Complete MS Office and Lotus compatible! Synchronisatie via PC Suite over USB, Infrared, Wifi and SyncML.

For PC Suite there will also be an Admin module for administrators

Security:

Really everything becomes possible for optimal protection: SSL 3.0/TLS, Nokia VPN, IPv6?ipv4, IPsec, MMC lock!, Wlan

security (WPA 1.0 and CISCO CCX)

Absolute unique and fine also the possibility is for remote locking via SMS! 1 sms message and the business sit safe on end.

Nokia has worked in the deepest secret together with large players. The result is among many the following:

End2End Alliance Solutions:, IBM Websphere Everyplace Access (WEA) client, Sametime Client, IBM Tivoli (Sync e-mail & PIM.

Oracle OCS Collaboration Out, Directory services, Contacts.

Yet a few professional applications, which I am personal very glad with: IP Passthrough, Admin Module, and possibility till the installing of the next applicaties: Blackberry, NokiaOne, CITRIX ICA client, IBM DB2, Oracle 9iLite, Filcrypto, etc. The list
becomes yet longer..

What concerned JAVA: MIDP 2.0 and Personal JAVA.

Above rather impressive, but watch until you hear this:
Battery: 1300mAh (Lithium Polymere)
Standby times:
WLAN EVENLY = 200-300 hour
WLAN ON = 180-240 hour
talking times: 4-6 hour

Everything turns on a (yet unknown) ARM processor only who the effectiviteit of the Symbian O. S. knows is the number Mhz unimportant. The previous Commie (9210i) turned on 54 Mhz and was quite good in comparison with the Pocket PC (400 Mhz Xscale).

Unclear for me still the executable memory is. Nokia self speaks of 5 x as many as by the 9210i. That would mean that the 9500 only gladly 20 MB work memory gets! Reason for a smile with Windows users, but Symbian connoisseurs know that this UNPRECEDENTLY large is. Rather 20 MB for the Symbian O. S. then 200 MB for Windows Mobile!

Compatibility.

We must it all yet but wait for, but ALL series 80 applicaties ought to turn on the new Commie. That meant that by the launch already immediately hundred excellent programs available would be! Consequently also PDF +, Active Desk, everything of Epocware, FTP, Telnet, data bass, Zipmanagers, dictionaries, navigationsystems, hundred games, etc etc.

The mainquestion: when and what will it cost. When: probable pace AFTER the summer. Price: not yet known. No idea also, but the speculations will swift follow. I will stay fixed!

[MR]

Nokia launches new enterprise-class Communicator
February 23, 2004

The Nokia 9500 Communicator extends business mobility as leading IT vendors offer new solutions and support


Cannes, February 23, 2004--Nokia today renewed its commitment to enterprise mobility with the introduction of the first in a series of new enterprise-grade mobile devices designed for corporate customers. The new Nokia 9500 Communicator is one of the first cellular devices on the market designed to meet the demands of corporate IT departments for customization, manageability and security. The tri-band device supporting E-GPRS (EDGE) and Wi-Fi 802.11b is expected to be available in volume during the fourth quarter of 2004. The price (unsubsidized) of the Nokia 9500 Communicator is expected to be around ?800 in Europe.

With the announcement of the new enterprise-class communicator series, Nokia's recently formed Enterprise Solutions business group evolves the company's portfolio of business-optimised devices to include a full range of differentiated devices.

"Nokia understands mobility better than anyone," said Mary McDowell, Nokia Enterprise Solutions' newly appointed senior vice president and general manager. "The Nokia 9500 Communicator combines our knowledge of enterprise customer needs and critical usability issues with our expertise in mobile connectivity and security, resulting in the first mobile device that enables fast and universal access to corporate services, and is backed by proven application and software support from leading IT vendors."

Key Functions and Features
Like its predecessors from the first Communicator family, the Nokia 9500 Communicator takes the most popular office solutions mobile by bringing e-mail, personal information management, with PC synchronization, browsing, vertical enterprise applications and even document, spreadsheet and presentation creation into the pockets of mobile professionals, allowing them to effectively utilize their time while on the road. Other features of the sleek 222-gram (7.83 oz.) device include:

Tri-band GSM capability (two variants: 900/1800/1900 MHz and 850/1800/1900 MHz)
GPRS/EGPRS (EDGE)
Wireless LAN IEEE 802.11b
Symbian Operating System 7.0S Platform with J2ME Personal Profile environment
In-built VGA camera & Multimedia messaging
Bluetooth audio and data support
USB connectivity (Nokia Connectivity Cable DKU-2)
80 MB of free user memory
Two color (up to 65k colors) displays with
640x200 pixels, Series 80 User Interface
128x128 pixels, Series 40 User Interface
E-mail support: POP3, IMAP,
Email: IMAP4, POP3, SMTP, SyncML
Security: SSL/TLS, Ipsec VPN
Browsing: HTML/XHTML, HTML 4.01, JavaScript 1.3
Office tool support: documents, spreadsheet, presentations

Also unveiled were the Connectivity desk stand for convenient charging and synchronization with a compatible PC, the Mobile Holder, which firmly holds the Nokia 9500 communicator in place in the car, and the Antenna Coupler, which provides a connection to an external antenna. For personalization, optional color covers are expected to be available.

Interoperability and Compatibility
Compatible and interoperable with existing IT infrastructures, the Nokia 9500 Communicator supports remote management using over-the-air provisioning, PC tools for device management, and customization capabilities. It also provides IT managers with a cost effective, easy-to-maintain and frequently updated device base, easing maintenance and deployment. Based on the Symbian operating system 7.0, JavaTM Personal Profile and MIDP2.0, the Nokia 9500 Communicator series offers developers a well-known and respected foundation upon which to build innovative solutions, facilitating forward compatibility with future members of the new enterprise Communicator family.

Secure Mobile Connectivity
The Nokia 9500 Communicator supports a broad range of standards-based security solutions. Data traffic can be effectively secured by a variety of standard Virtual Private Network (VPN) solutions. For example, the Nokia Mobile (VPN) solution - consisting of the Nokia Security Service Manager and the Nokia Mobile VPN Client - integrates with existing corporate infrastructure and extends the use of IPSec VPN to mobile devices. Additionally, Symantec plans to provide unique firewall and antivirus protection with advanced over-the-air update features. The Nokia 9500 Communicator also supports other key security features such as device lock and Secure Socket Layer (SSL) encryption for web-based applications.

Broad IT Industry Endorsement
Leading corporate information and communications technology vendors are already endorsing and/or supporting the new Communicator series with applications and software built especially for the new platform. Nokia's close collaboration with these vendors will provide corporate customers with best-in-class solutions that enable them to mobilize business processes, and make effective and secure remote connections to their existing IT infrastructures.

Companies that have already committed their support for the Nokia 9500 Communicator series include:

Cap Gemini Ernst &Young -@Anyplace Mobility Offerings
Cisco Systems, Inc. -Wireless LAN infrastructure interoperability
Computer Associates -streamlined management of mobile devices
Fujitsu -IT services and solutions provider
HP - mobile printing solutions
IBM - IBM's WebSphere Everyplace software offerings optimized for the Nokia Communicator
Oracle -Access to Oracle Collaboration Suite - email, files, calendar, web conferencing, faxes etc.
SAP AG -intends to investigate opportunities for SAP? solutions for mobile business arising from Nokia's Communicator platform
Symantec -mobile device Internet security solutions, including firewall and antivirus

Global Developer Support
Forum Nokia, Nokia's global developer program, offers multiple resources to support developers in building enterprise applications for the new Nokia 9500 Communicator. SDKs available at launch include Nokia Communicator SDK 1.0 Beta for Symbian OS 7.0s, Nokia Communicator MIDP SDK 1.0 Beta for Symbian OS 7.0s, and Personal Profile Plug-in 1.0 Beta for Nokia Communicator SDK. Developers also can access more than 20 relevant white papers and documents covering topics such as migrating both existing Nokia 9200 Communicator applications as well as existing Series 90 applications to the Nokia 9500 Communicator and guidelines for enterprise development. For more information and downloads of these resources visit www.forum.nokia.com/9500.

About Nokia
Nokia is the world leader in mobile communications, driving the growth and sustainability of the broader mobility industry. Nokia is dedicated to enhancing people's lives and productivity by providing easy-to-use and secure products like mobile phones, and solutions for imaging, games, media, mobile network operators and businesses. Nokia is a broadly held company with listings on five major exchanges.

Media enquiries

Nokia, Enterprise Solutions
Communications
Tel. +358 7180 34900

Nokia
Communications
Tel: +358 7180 34900
Email: press.office@nokia.com

www.nokia.com

[MR]

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,54108,00.html

MR

[kristof.vanriet]

just some other things i found out

- MMC storage hot swapping (you can take out the MMC card when phone is on)
- Java games up to 20 Mb
- Ring tone formats include AAC, AMR, MIDI (poly 24), MP3, and WAV and audio output is also available via Bluetooth connection
- Video and image viewers (MPEG-4, 3GPP, RealMedia formats)
- Word, excell and powerpoint compatible
- support of IPv6 and DRM

[gaurav311]

so what's actually new? :)

Xpress on covers is the worst mistake in my opinion - I commented on the plastickiness earlier and it really is quite bad. They couldnt use metal because they had to keep weight down.
Keyboard on this thing is fantastic though, and the display is quite nice. The model will have its market (9210i owners and enterprise), it's not really challenging P900/1000 market, the keyboard being main distinction.

It amazes me that the new smaller Nokias have higher tech specs (wcdma) than this model, it's almost like a repeition of last time when 8310 came out with GPRS and 9210i didn't.

Anyway, this isn't that important release for Nokia, expect more interesting handsets in a few weeks. 8100 is *very* small and nice :)

[gaurav311]

as for eldar's post - early 9500 demo models were a bit different - they didnt have the wireless, and since the symbian back-end is the same as series 90 (it's only the series80 GUI they kept - technically the 7700 and 9500 are the same except wifi), I wouldnt be surprised if those early ones had experimental touchscreens, it's entirely possible. 9500 design is actually very old now, the phone has been in planning for long time, lots of developers have had access to variations of early models.

[orange]

Originally posted by gaurav311
as for eldar's post - early 9500 demo models were a bit different - they didnt have the wireless, and since the symbian back-end is the same as series 90 (it's only the series80 GUI they kept - technically the 7700 and 9500 are the same except wifi), I wouldnt be surprised if those early ones had experimental touchscreens, it's entirely possible. 9500 design is actually very old now, the phone has been in planning for long time, lots of developers have had access to variations of early models.
The version of the Symbian OS is the same e.g. in 6600, 7700 and 9500, ie. 7.0s. The difference is the UI, the user visible layer on top of OS. And no, 9500 didn't got touchscreen in any phase.

[McKinley]

I thought the Communicator was dead
:D

[mms_user]

does it have a camera on the front & back? or is that big round thing over the "nokia" logo the power button?

[gaurav311]

i did not say it did have touchscreen.
what im saying is that Nokia create the platform before they create phones on it. e.g. series 40, then 10+ phones on that platform. The platform in In 9500 and 7700 is almost the same, with similar features (Edge, Media, other features). I would think that research was shared when both phones were being developed. At some stage it was obviously decided that they needed different UIs. But technically, the bluetooth/edge implementation etc will be exact same.

[kristof.vanriet]

gaurav311
there are a lot of differences between the series 80 and 90, they are totaly based on something else
the series 80 is based on the early EPOC system and really made just for the communicator.
Based upon using a full keypath and a big color screen.
the series 90 are produced together with Palm for specialy handwriting and virtual keyboard... of course some of the software layers are the same, the series are just a UI (user interface) like windows is to DOS and so on...

[-The Andyman-]

i guess in sum ways its like comparing windows xp to mac os X lol

or sumthing like that

[gsmdealer]

i've just found some real pictures of the 9500:
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_01.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_02.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_03.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_04.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_05.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_06.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_08.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_09.jpg
http://members.chello.nl/j.j.reitsma/Nokia_9500_10.jpg

[MR]

Some other pictures:

http://www.pdatotaal.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1842

http://www.pdatotaal.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1841

http://www.pdatotaal.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1840

MR