Ares

Nice one

Waiting for the test photos

Armando

WE WANT TEST PHOTOS!!!

McKinley

Paulino,
Jag ser fram emot dina bilder
Pictures taken while daylight still exist often ends up good but under dark condition it isn't that good. will this flash be able to solve it?
I'm looking forward to see some shots.

Paulino

I have taken some photos in my very dark attic waiting for the sun to go down .
The first photo is with flash and second is with night mode and led. Although the Led and night mode gives very good lightning the flash is far superior in picture quality. The flash has only auto mode and if there is enough light for good pic the flash will not go off it also determines the amount of light from the flash appropraite for the given enviroment. Will take some more pics later tonight .

Mark_Q

They say the distance between the flash and the camera lens should be at least 55 mm in order to avoid red eyes. K750 with MXE-60 manages this fine, about 80mm.

Memzee

Thanks for the review. I may just go for one of these.

rmcrys

Well 35-40? for one flash is a bit too much for me, I can buy a low analogic camera (with motorized film, electronic control and own flash) with that.

I won´t spend more than 15? for a flash like that (when I buy K750)

Mark_Q

I looked at the EXIF data of Paulino's photos: with the flash on, the exposure time is 1/15 second and the ISO sensitivity is 200, while the non-flash photos have exposure time 1/5 second and the ISO varies between 240-800.

I think it's a pity that the exposure time is longish 1/15 = not easy to keep K750 steady, not that sharp results as f.ex. typical 1/125 sync time of real cameras. Also the ISO should ideally be 100, not 200 because of increased noise.

I'll will test this flash in living room or elswhere with more "human" lightning conditions than dark attic... stay tuned.

textappeal

Test it on some real live humans, too. Wanna see how good the red eye reduction is.

Armando

These Pics using the add on flash looks simple amazingly good compared to the night mode + Led pics. I do want one, but I think it's too expensive.

Paulino

Some more pics

Without flash


With flash



Without flash



With flash



Lilacs taken tonight with flash



Entertainment System with flash


Swedish Road Sign taken with flash



Cds in bad lightning with flash



Porsche with flash fairly dark outside and about 3 meters away



Tag about 10 meters away



A couple aof pics Inside without lights on but with flash

rabvtec

@ Paulino
All your pics are a great source of reference for potential MXE-60 buyers (me, for one!).

I've got mine on order from MobileFun here in the UK - price £21.95. Not bad for me here, but this, plus euro postage (£4.50) brings it to about 39Euros ... not any better for Europeans

From your pics, I'm sure, for me, it's a worthwhile purchase ... thanks!

Paulino

Good to here I am really satisfied with it and really recomend it. The inside pics gets perfect almost every time and does not have the white lines as before of course it could be better but as its not a Digital camera but a phone the result is very good, lets see how N90 will match K750i with add on flash . Now I'm just waiting for the HPM-70 headset and the phone will be complete untill S700 succesor and hopefully the flash will fit that phone to.

saliquincer

Paulino,
thanks alot for the nice shots and review

McKinley

Paulino,
Bra gjort där grabben
Can I expect some great shots of beautiful ladies now?
No seriously, this flash really shows what it does for the K750i.
Great pictures indeed and thanks for your effort!

textappeal

Superb indoor shots. Acceptable dark outdoors night shots. Low light outdoors shots are pretty good. I forsee some excellent sunset shots with this accessory. Maybe it's not worth waiting for the CCD K750i now.

Ares

CCD k750...that won´t happen, didn´t you read the latest info???

nice photos with the flash, the only problem is its price right now

rmcrys

These shots are great - so tiny flash and fairly powerful.

Even 400? digital cameras don´t have a lot stronger flash, even Canon G6 or HP 850 would produce similar results at ISO-200 and 1/15 speeds. Of course in G6 we can manually set ISO-400 (giving twice the light) and slower speeds (but there we would need a tripod...and a device like K750 isn´t intended to be used with tripod).

I saw this on eBay for 27? with international (Europe) shippment, ships from Germany. When it goes for 17? I´ll buy it

theunknown04

when taking the picture's with the flash did u have night mode on just wondering how they would look with this on if it would clear little grain's while outside in the dark apart from that very good i havent seen the flash in like's like cpw house???

Paulino

Here are some other shoots I took last night, around 23 swedish time, outside at larger distances the result is quite good the pics is rather dark but thats because when using flash it seems to always use ISO 200 and 1/15 speed but you get rid of a lot of noise. I will try to use night mode and flash later today.

Regular mode ISO 800, 1/20



With night mode ISO 500, 1/5



With flash ISO 200, 1/15



Two other pics using flash

nczkeren

@Ares
what latest info??? from eldar?

rabvtec

This is a great review! I've just got my MXE-60 and for it's size and weight, it's a handy bit of gear to have.

I'm not going to add my own images to this already great thread, as I think the ones already posted are proof enough to it capabilities. I only really wanna add a couple of my observations ...

(1) Why, I wonder, did SE decide to bring this out in silver only - especially when their first available K750s were black? (2) The phone, I think you'll all agree, is a wonderful design with beautiful classic looks ... so wouldn't it have been nice if the MXE-60 was more 'contoured' to fit the shape of the bottom of the K750 when attached to it?

Like I said ... just my observations
ps hmmm, I wonder if I could 'mod' the colour ... watch this space under 'Modding'

stephen93

I got the MX-60 today, when taking photographs outside in the dark the flash doesn't alway come on, it's very intermittant, the setting I have on is "auto" anyone know why?

Steve

P.S. got to admit when the flash does come on makes the pictures alot better than without it.

rabvtec

@ stephen93
There's a light sensor to the front of the flash unit that gauges the amount of light available, just like the 'autoflash' setting on a standard camera. You don't mention if when taking your shots if they were taken at about the same time of night (twilight/dusk/darkness).

Now, how accurate the sensor is, is anyone's guess but just make sure that you keep your fingers clear of it when shooting ... or you could try 'forcing' the flash to operate by covering it with your finger.

I hope this helps ...

nczkeren

does the addon flash drain the battery very fast?

Nacho

Nice, looks like the tearings disapear now. Maybe getting me one of these. Oh, and yeah as the previous poster, does it drink juice from the battery?

shethsa

I've been using the phone for 3 weeks now - quite happy with the pics results outdoors. However, as I take many pics indoors, not so sure of how the flash will handle pics in yellow light.

If you see some of my pics attached:

1st pic - indoors pic in yellow light - has lot of noise as well as horizontal bands

2nd pic - outdoors pic in daylight is perfect

3rd pic - The panorama feature is wonderful to capture an entire group in one shot

Any suggestions on settings for indoor/yellow light pics? (i've tried the incandescent white balance setting, night mode, flash, etc - but not great results).

Also, i need to press the camera shutter button quite hard that the phone shakes & the pics turn out blurred - any suggestions for a softer shutter action?

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lacoste82

the pictures are not good because you are zooming, you must not do that.

the zoom option must not be used. the quality is cruel

rabvtec

@ nczkeren & Nacho
Actually, I was pleasantly surprised with its consumption in comparison to a typical digital camera. The batt life in the K750i is very good it has to be said and IMO, it doesn't show any major drain.

I hope this helps ....

Paulino

Some good tips I found using the flash MXE-60

Its very usefull to use the Exposure Compensation to control the darkness of the picture for example if you take a pic with a lot of white in it.

Setting -2



Setting 0



Setting +2



If you cover up the flash when taking picture you force the camera to use ISO 200 and you get a picture with very little noise. Usefull when for example taking pics of the night sky and you dont want to use Night mode which in my opinion tend to get to bright and much more easy to blur.

Flash not covered



Flash covered



Using Night Mode (ISO 500)



Flash not covered



Flash covered



Picture of moon



Landscape view



Anyone else found any good tips using the flash?

admad

I just bought MXE-60 today, and must say it is very usefull tool. The pics got real colors, instead of taking pics with led flash. But one thing is confusing me. Can i force the MXE-60 to light even when it's sunny? Because sometimes it doesn't lights when it should. and this is pretty annoying. Hope You understand me

Paulino

Yes that is the only downside with the MXE-60 that you can't set it to go of when you want it to. I guess its based on the amount of light and the ISO the camera uses when it takes the pic. If it allready use like ISO-100 the camera doesn't think there is any reason to activate flash although sometimes that would be a good thing. Maybe a manual option will be realised in future firmware.

rabvtec

I hope this helps ...

rmcrys

This flash seems to have a light meter (that "LED" under the flash), you can try to cover it up and flash thinks it´s dark. Perhaps it helps to engage the flash.

Try and then tell us the result

Paulino

I have tried that without any luck . The led only determines how much light to come from flash, see below. I think the flash activation lays within the camera and is based on the automatic ISO settings and its adoptation to different lightning conditions.

LED not covered



LED Covered

Skrue

do you have to charge it? i just got mine tonight and am having problems with it. it worked fine at first as i was able to take pics with it, but then later on the day the green led would just blink a couple of times then goes off completely. the phone still recognizes the flash since it still reads the mxe-60s sw and hw firmware. my phone was on R1A and i thought its just maybe a bug from my phone's firmware so i flashed my phone to R1L but its still the same. if it does have to be charged, how long does it take? i need your help guys, so that i would have time to return the flash to where i bought it if ever it is a manufacture defect.

Thank you all and hoping for a fast reply ;-)

Mark_Q

As an owner of this flash I have noticed the smart design of it: as the flash drains it's power from K750's battery it only gets ready (green led lightning steady) after you have selected Take a new picture or Delete on the More menu, otherwise the led remains "dead".

How could you charge this flash? Think a little before you ask: the flash has male connector like the charger. There should be a special flash charger or male-to-male adapter, and either way that would be very stupid design, IMHO.

Skrue

i asked if it needs to be charged since a post from another forum says that when the green light is blinking, in a way, its getting ready or being charged to use the flash.

this is the post from the other forum: "the only indicator on the flash is the charging light which blinks green when charging and is steady green when charged"

i've tried what you have suggested but the geen led just don't blink anymore. it would only blink when i attach the flash to the phone. i tried turning on/off the flash(by turning to off/auto) but the green led would just not blink. btw, the flash icon keeps on blinking from the main screen but no green led light. i myt aswell, go back to where i bought it and get it replaced.

like i said, i just got the flash today so i'm sorry if i was being stupid. just needed help, not embarassing comments.

Skrue

returned the flash from where i bought it. it was found defective so i had it replaced...whew, now il bee testing the new flash and hopefully this would be ok.

dxreaper

Has anyone noticed this?

Take a picture without the flash in bright daylight under FINE setting.
Take a picture with the flash plugged in during bright daylight under FINE setting.

Althought the flash didn't go off for the 2nd try, I noticed that the picture seemed to be heavily compressed. Just look at all the pictures taken with the flash. None of them going pass 250kb and there's a big hit on compression.

D_G

are you sure? some of them taken by paulino are + 300 k like the lilacs in dark with flash.

dxreaper

Well, if they do go pass 250kb it's most likely due to the picture having alot of colours. I mean just go to www.gsmarena.com and see at the N90 vs W800i pictures... you can see those with flash being more compressed.. I personally own a MXE-60 and know that there is heavier compression. My camera is playing games with me at the moment and I can't take a comparison picture for you, but it is the case.

D_G

how do you find the flash overall reaper?

dxreaper

Overall the flash works like how it's suppose to work. It recharges really quickly and when focusing, the phone's LED will light up, so even if rather dark environment you'll still get the right focus. Only concern I have is the "extra" compression visible and not being able to force flash. Force flashing would be good at various situation, but when taking pictures indoors, the flash goes off at about 80% of the time, with the 20% having too much light in the area. Also, some pictures tend to be overexposed. I use photoshop to handle this most of the time.

Mark_Q

dxreaper,

Why don't you use the "Brightness adjustment" (=exposure compensation -0.3/-0.7/-1.0/-1.3/-1.7/-2.0) ergo joystick left to compensate overexposures?

SE gives us nice features, why not experiment/use them?

asztrod

What are the dimensions of the MXE-60?

Thx in advance

Mark_Q

asztrod, Look at the image on my posting #6 above.

Height: 46,5mm (same as K750)
Width: 39,5/31,5mm (with/without Port connector pins)
Depth: 15mm
Weigth: 19g (with neck strap)

Here are my test photos with/without MXE-60 flash:

Without flash:

With flash:

EnricoAdams

Is 1/15 exposure time enough to solve blurred pictures in low light conditions? Can i take picture of moving objects in low light, for example somebody walking, dancing etc. with that exposure time?

Mark_Q

EnricoAdams,
So you managed to track down this old thread. Fine.

I made a test - just for you:



First I waved my left hand, like on handshake, without flash (top left), exposure time 1/20s. The same shaking with flash (bottom left), exposure time 1/15s. As you see the exposure time of the flash is much much shorten and can freeze the movement.

Knowing by old experience I shaked the K750 up and down during the flash exposure (bottom right). You see that delicate ghost image, partly frozen by flash, partly motion blurred by the 1/15s exposure time. Top right is steady flash shot.

Personally I'd prefer certain motion blurr as it gives the feeling of movement. I have no idea, how involved you are in photography and whenever you share that idea...